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Old 03-21-2019, 10:48 AM
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E63 Wagon 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 differences?

Can someone outline or point me to where I can see the differences in the E63 wagon from 2016 forward?
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Old 03-21-2019, 10:56 AM
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Can someone outline or point me to where I can see the differences in the E63 wagon from 2016 forward?
Umm. Well, the 2016 was a facelift of the 212 chassis from 2010


and the 2018, 2019 are the 213 (Completely new model) that's been in production since 2017




2016 had 577hp and 590lb-ft from a 5.5 liter turbo V8

2018, 2019 have 603hp and 627lb-ft from a 4.0 turbo V8

Differences between 2018 and 2019 were just a few options becoming stand alone instead of part of packages and the addition of a heated steering wheel in 2019. The 213 model improved every aspect of the car (as is typical with a completely new model), faster, smoother, techie-er, (IMO) way better looking.

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Old 03-21-2019, 01:00 PM
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One MAJOR addition (kidding) in the 2019 was the heated steering wheel =)
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So I take there wasn't a 2017 model?

Was the HUD available in the 2016 model?
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So I take there wasn't a 2017 model?

Was the HUD available in the 2016 model?
No 2016 did not have HUD.
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some say the NA 5.5L makes better exhaust sound
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2019 has a completely different (better looking) steering wheel.

other than a mild facelift in the near future... the real thing to be looking forward to would be the new command system that can be found in the new GLE and the A series... very very sharp
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Alot of good intel.... here is something to add:


The W212 4matic is not as advanced and has a fixed tq split vs the W213 4matic plus where the drivetrain can direct the full power to the rear and lower parasitic loss.

Turbo's are also different I believe (compressor wheel size)
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Turbo's are also different I believe (compressor wheel size)
Not sure which years your comparing here. Of course W212 vs. W213 turbos are way more different than just wheel size. The 213 turbos are inside-V and twin scroll. Having separate exhaust manifold connections for each cylinder (and therefore separate channels to spin the scolls) prevents back pressure from one cylinder interfering with the scavenging of another. The inside-V configuration means the heads are reverse-flow, with outboard intake manifolds and inboard exhaust. This means a very short path from cylinder to turbo, which means very low turbo lag. It also requires a different water-air intercooler setup.

These changes are why a 4.0 liter engine outproduces the old 5.5.
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Not sure which years your comparing here. Of course W212 vs. W213 turbos are way more different than just wheel size. The 213 turbos are inside-V and twin scroll. Having separate exhaust manifold connections for each cylinder (and therefore separate channels to spin the scolls) prevents back pressure from one cylinder interfering with the scavenging of another. The inside-V configuration means the heads are reverse-flow, with outboard intake manifolds and inboard exhaust. This means a very short path from cylinder to turbo, which means very low turbo lag. It also requires a different water-air intercooler setup.

These changes are why a 4.0 liter engine outproduces the old 5.5.
W212 vs W213--- I didnt fee like typing all that you did LOL
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S212 from 2016 has a bigger cargo capacity and non-floating rear brake calipers.
I personally think it looks better than the S213.
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some say the NA 5.5L makes better exhaust sound
The 5.5 was obviously also turbo charged. I currently own both engines and while I havenít opened up my W213 yet as itís still in the break in and Iím out of the country for two weeks, I have to agree the M157 has a very more distinct sound. Maybe itís the familiarity, Iím more used to it? Maybe the cabin insulation in my ďaccoustic comfortĒ package takes some some of the flavor away, but at any rate AMG knows how to make exhausts. OP Werenít you getting an E450?
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Had one on order and cancelled it. We decided we wanted to take advantage of the European delivery and couldn't get a coordinated time off until September. I'm now having second thoughts about the E63 vs the E450. I'll have to make a decision one way or another by early June.
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The 5.5 was obviously also turbo charged. I currently own both engines and while I havenít opened up my W213 yet as itís still in the break in and Iím out of the country for two weeks, I have to agree the M157 has a very more distinct sound. Maybe itís the familiarity, Iím more used to it? Maybe the cabin insulation in my ďaccoustic comfortĒ package takes some some of the flavor away, but at any rate AMG knows how to make exhausts. OP Werenít you getting an E450?
My '13 C63 had the best sound of all. The normally aspirated 6.2 is the real deal. AMG has done a great job of making these turbocharged engines sound normally aspirated, but there's nothing like an unimpeded exhaust for sound.
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My '13 C63 had the best sound of all. The normally aspirated 6.2 is the real deal. AMG has done a great job of making these turbocharged engines sound normally aspirated, but there's nothing like an unimpeded exhaust for sound.
I agree, that 6.2L v8 just sounds pure nasty. I am gonna get a C63(if my friend sells is 507 edition) just for the v8.
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I agree, that 6.2L v8 just sounds pure nasty. I am gonna get a C63(if my friend sells is 507 edition) just for the v8.
I had the 2007 AMG wagon with the NA 6.2ltr engine and I preferred the W212 5.5ltr sound. And in the one week I had the W213 AMG wagon from the factory delivery experience, the performance exhaust on that was pretty impressive. Despite the smaller size, the new engine is as good as AMG has made to date. I will say however, the SLS Black that was used for the AMG track day had the 6.2ltr IIRC and was the meanest AMG engine I have ever heard... it was a beast.
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Having just updated my nav maps and POIs for the second time in 6 weeks, I think the new Mercedes me in the '19s is a major improvement. The new communications setup fixes the problems people seem to have with the Mercedes me app also, at least it always works flawlessly for me. It's so cool to be able to ask Alexa where the car is, or what the fuel level or odometer reading is, or to start the car, and it always works.

Within one minute of my updating the GPS, the Mercedes me website showed that I had gone from V14 to V15 and was therefore current. That means the car radioed the mother ship as soon as COMAND rebooted and the database was updated, all within one minute. For as much lousy software Mercedes has subjected us to in the past, I have to give them credit for making a major leap.
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