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Old 03-30-2019, 11:57 PM
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Stock car dyno run

If someone is curious what are real numbers before any tune.

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Hey Mandarin. Are those crank or wheel numbers?? Also what’s the difference between the first and second run? Thanks.
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in 5th gear in drift mode?
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If you look at the second sheet it shows "SAE" up top for the correction factor where the first is "uncorrected". SAE is calibrated for specific air temperature and barometric pressure baseline numbers to produce the dyno correction factor used in the chart. If you google "sae correction factor" you can find some pages with specific details about it.

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So which numbers are the more accurate ones to go by?
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So which numbers are the more accurate ones to go by?
The SAE correction is pretty much an industry standard. Otherwise, testing conditions will skew the numbers.

But dynos measure power at the wheels while car makers quote power at the crank. Applying even conservative wheel HP to crank HP correction puts this at close to 700 hp!
https://www.mk5cortinaestate.co.uk/calculator4.php

It's consistent with what most others have observed. Look at Renntech's STOCK numbers:
https://www.renntechmercedes.com/ind...13-e63s-detail
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Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored
in 5th gear in drift mode?
Not sure about gear, I was not driving.

Dyno mode, not drift.
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Originally Posted by Dunga
Hey Mandarin. Are those crank or wheel numbers?? Also what’s the difference between the first and second run? Thanks.
of course all numbers are on wheels and ft-lbs.

In order to get crank’s numbers take a number on the paper and multiply to 1.15.

About corrections, there is a beautiful reply above
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In order to get crank’s numbers take a number on the paper and multiply to 1.15.
1.2 is probably more accurate because of the all-wheel drive. You're accounting for total drivetrain losses and we have an extra two differentials to account for.

Which raises another question. Is this a four-wheel dyno? I do know that these wheel numbers are similar to ones seen with four-wheel dynos but I don't know anything about how this engine was tested. In any case, all the tuners admit the stock baseline is around 690 peak hp. I have no idea why MB derates this engine so much. Leave room for higher power claims in more expensive cars?
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Originally Posted by whoover
1.2 is probably more accurate because of the all-wheel drive. You're accounting for total drivetrain losses and we have an extra two differentials to account for.

Which raises another question. Is this a four-wheel dyno? I do know that these wheel numbers are similar to ones seen with four-wheel dynos but I don't know anything about how this engine was tested. In any case, all the tuners admit the stock baseline is around 690 peak hp. I have no idea why MB derates this engine so much. Leave room for higher power claims in more expensive cars?
"Better to appear intentionally under-promising than deceptively exaggerating". Their claim power figures and acceleration times are usually given for worst possible conditions so that you're almost always guaranteed to perform better than quoted figures. It keeps someone from being able to dyno their car in the hottest, thinnest air possible and complain about power inferior to Mercedes' claims.
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Not sure about gear, I was not driving.

Dyno mode, not drift.
How does one get into dyno mode?
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Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored
in 5th gear in drift mode?
As a public service announcement, Drift mode on a two wheel drive dyno will be catastrophic as the front axles re-engage around 70mph...
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Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored
How does one get into dyno mode?
https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w...dyno-mode.html
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As a public service announcement, Drift mode on a two wheel drive dyno will be catastrophic as the front axles re-engage around 70mph...
Now that would be a youtube moment.
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Originally Posted by wassup61
As a public service announcement, Drift mode on a two wheel drive dyno will be catastrophic as the front axles re-engage around 70mph...
I have no idea who would test a car on a dyno with drift mode... If you going to tune it, a shop or you should now all specific things.

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