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Old Jun 20, 2019 | 05:04 PM
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2019 E63s vs a Tesla P100D

I know two different cars, but to think they are for two different needs will be an error in judgment.

On a day to day daily driver

Acceleration....Tesla wins hand down
Handling.....E63s wins hands down

How much of the acceleration can make up for the lack of handling in the Tesla over the E63s? I am not talking gas very electric here, I am trying to discuss comfort with insane acceleration vs stiff with ridiculous handling

What do you think?
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Old Jun 20, 2019 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by kponti
I know two different cars, but to think they are for two different needs will be an error in judgment.

On a day to day daily driver

Acceleration....Tesla wins hand down
Handling.....E63s wins hands down

How much of the acceleration can make up for the lack of handling in the Tesla over the E63s? I am not talking gas very electric here, I am trying to discuss comfort with insane acceleration vs stiff with ridiculous handling

What do you think?
The E63S is, above all, a great car for road trips. Back roads are a joy. Worrying about where to find a charger in the middle of nowhere pretty much makes everything else noise as far as I'm concerned.
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Old Jun 20, 2019 | 05:31 PM
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You are limited to how often you will be accelerating hard in the tesla. The tesla is only fast on a straight line in a limited distance. Honestly this should not even be up for debate, my dad bought a tesla p100d and he ended up selling it. The quality is just not there, the interior on the tesla feels super cheap. Plus with the E63 there is drama, and character with the car. Sounds fun and tons of fun to drive on the back roads and on the track. Im taking my car again to the next track day July 1st.
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Old Jun 20, 2019 | 05:43 PM
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The tesla is not "hands" down winner at highway speeds btw. They're pretty close, in 1/4 mile they trap similar

Obvious bias on this board, but the e63s hands down better car overall.
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Old Jun 20, 2019 | 05:58 PM
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The Tesla wins 0 to ~125 if one has the patience to wait for the other driver to put it into Ludicrous mode and warm up the batteries and motor. Don't know what it does when in regular mode, but it's not as quick for sure. I've pulled several Teslas in day to day driving. Most Tesla drivers here at the office, which are many, have never even put the car into Ludicrous mode - or didn't purchase the option.

If you happen to do a pull from say 80 mph (not an uncommon speed on our interstate here) to something higher the Tesla is going to peter out much more quickly.

I looked at them pretty closely before going with the E63S. Build quality isn't there. Compared notes with one of my co-workers about the self driving. Tesla seems to have all the same quirks my Distronic has. Only plus is that they get the remote parking assist where you can summon or put the car away from outside the vehicle, which Mercedes has, but hasn't turned on in the States yet.

Funny thing is that the Tesla can open the garage door itself, drive in, then close the door. My friend's car opened the door, drove par way in and then closed the door on itself. He was watching and thankfully was able to stop the door before it came down on the car - must not have his height adjusted right for the door sensors for the garage as I'd have thought those would have kept the door from coming down.

Anyway, Tesla folks love their cars for sure, but it was not the right car for me just yet, and I really wanted one because I have solar at home and it would be basically free to drive. I don't go on long trips so mileage wasn't a worry either. Happy I made the choice for the E63S.
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Old Jun 20, 2019 | 07:42 PM
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Have several friends with 100D's (not *****) and on spirited freeway runs, the car only has a few hard pulls before reverse viagara mode rolls in.

I know its not exactly what you asked for but if you are running rollers its gonna end after a few runs. Comfort vs handling, subjective and I personally would take the minimal yaw of the E63s married with sound even though its a few clicks slower out of the gate.

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Old Jun 20, 2019 | 07:56 PM
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I agree the character of the E is supremely important in its appeal, hence putting it out here. I prefer the E personally, but the Tesla price point with acceleration is tempting lol
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Old Jun 21, 2019 | 02:06 AM
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I had this same debate and the Tesla looks boring and has no heritage or sound
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Old Jun 21, 2019 | 10:04 AM
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Character, soul, feel, sound, and connection to the mechanical car are all things that are VERY important for me in a car, all of which Tesla has none of other than a straight line spec number. 0-60 times will get boring real quick.
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Old Jun 21, 2019 | 12:06 PM
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Old Jun 21, 2019 | 01:02 PM
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The Tesla is a bit long in the tooth right now. The next Tesla Model S will be a pretty compelling option from what I am reading. Range over 400 miles, and a much more luxurious interior.

Range anxiety with electric cars is a non issue as far as I am concerned. It is all about planning. I have experienced range issues with petrol cars too, and 400 miles range significantly exceeds what you will ever get out of an E63S. That said E63S will get better with the hybrid refresh next year.
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Old Jun 21, 2019 | 07:33 PM
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I rarely drive more than 200 miles in one stint unless it is in my motorhome. That has a lot more range than I do these days ;-)

I suspect that is true for most people unless they're doing a long trip for a vacation to visit family out of state or something like that.

Just passed 12,000 miles on my E63S, most of that was done in the first year - about 5,000 miles in the first three months. Break-in/vacation in Europe, then coast-to-coast drive from MD to San Diego. That's the only time when the mileage limit would have been an issue. Other than that, I'm typically putting about 5,000 miles a year or so on my daily driver and the rest is sprinkled around my other cars.

Even if someone is doing a 30 mile each way trip to work every day, odds are they're either plugging in at work or at home over night. You could even miss a few days and still have range.

So, I think the current range limitation is fine for most in reality.
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Old Jun 21, 2019 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by van_rider
Character, soul, feel, sound, and connection to the mechanical car are all things that are VERY important for me in a car, all of which Tesla has none of other than a straight line spec number. 0-60 times will get boring real quick.
I agree but also... we are all driving cars with automated transmissions. What about rowing our own? :P How many of us would have paired "luxurious E63S" with "manual transmission" if we could have?
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Old Jun 22, 2019 | 04:22 AM
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I looked at Tesla before I got the C63S back 2016. Tesla interior was too-GM product like. If you were blind folded you'd think you are in a GM vehicle for sure. It just looks and feels poorly made. they couldn't be bothered with a really inviting pleasant looking interior. And that "Futurist / Minimalistic" claim is just coolaide for the masses for what is clearly cost cutting. And the steering wheel with tow pimples looks like a kids plastic toy steering wheel to me. Thats all. I couldn't get past that.

I am a software engineer and look at screens all day, last thing I want is get in the car and look at another monitor regardless of how nice it is. For me I like what mercedes has done with the screen in the E-class. That looks as rightly done as I really want. I dont desire anything bigger. Ferrari has nice dash with the side screen for passenger too. I don't want to look at middle of the dash for everything. Thats all. I love the V8 character in these AMGs too. I could get used to an electric SUV much more easily though. Model-X might be in my future.
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Old Jun 22, 2019 | 08:18 AM
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Old Jun 22, 2019 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by stealth.pilot
The Tesla is a bit long in the tooth right now. The next Tesla Model S will be a pretty compelling option from what I am reading. Range over 400 miles, and a much more luxurious interior.

Range anxiety with electric cars is a non issue as far as I am concerned. It is all about planning. I have experienced range issues with petrol cars too, and 400 miles range significantly exceeds what you will ever get out of an E63S. That said E63S will get better with the hybrid refresh next year.
What makes you think the E63 will.get a hybrid? Even the AMG GT63s 4D did not get it in the S model (I hear a AMG GT73 with hybrid may be coming). I am almost sure the AMG E will not see a hybrid version in the W213 chassis
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Originally Posted by kponti
What makes you think the E63 will.get a hybrid? Even the AMG GT63s 4D did not get it in the S model (I hear a AMG GT73 with hybrid may be coming). I am almost sure the AMG E will not see a hybrid version in the W213 chassis
The GLS 580 has a partial hybrid of the 4L V8, wouldn’t be surprised if we will see the 63 go hybrid with the 73 being a more extreme version.

To be fair, the E53 is already hybrid and is in the W213 chassis.
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The 73 hybrid is a given and there is word that the C63 is loosing the V8 as it is going AWD.
The E is the power sedan for MB just like the M5 is for BMW and RS6 for Audi.
So this model will get power upgrades to become the fastest on the block.
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The 73 hybrid is a given and there is word that the C63 is loosing the V8 as it is going AWD.
The E is the power sedan for MB just like the M5 is for BMW and RS6 for Audi.
So this model will get power upgrades to become the fastest on the block.
These sound like new model changes, not facelift features.
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Originally Posted by whoover
These sound like new model changes, not facelift features.
I don’t think we can say for sure. Mercedes haven’t followed the new model/facelift timelines for upgrades recently. The W213 went from E43 to E53 hybrid as well as upgraded NTG and intelligent drive inside an upgrade cycle.
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These sound like new model changes, not facelift features.
For the C-class for sure, engine updates can be at facelift time or even at MY updates but its doubtful. I can see a HP/turbo upgrade a la GT63s to bring it up to par to the M5.
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