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No wonder new tires feel significantly better than the worn out tires. Observations are impressive, however don’t think it’s a valid comparison. Traction, road noise, ride comfort and such deteriorate over time/ miles driven.
Let me ask a simple question: Has any of you guys driven the same car model with brand new vendor A tires for around 1k mikes and then brand new vendor B tires? Which one was trash under apples to apples comparison?
Just for the full disclosure: I have no positions in any tire manufacturers stocks and no plans to initiate any positions any time in the future.
I had 3300 miles on my Pirellis when I dumped them for the Michelins.
Thanks for answering questions nobody asked! Maybe should publish the white paper about tire thread depth?
Just a simple question: Has any of you guys driven the same car model with brand new vendor A tires for around 1k mikes and then brand new vendor B tires?
Sorry for the delay, went for a ride. Higher priority than beating the dead horse here. To make up for being late there is more detailed response. Enjoy!
First of all, we all agree on the indisputable truth that new tires will outperform worn out old tires. Have no issues with that. People are welcome to brag about their new great tires.
The issue is when somebody ventures from “I am happy with new tires” to invalid comparison and even worse, labeling their old tires as trash, junk and whatever else. Valid comparison should be true and fair. People bashing Pirellii tires over and over again on this forum got me motivated to speak up.
Let’s move on to scenario A: it is expected that not many people had the opportunity to do it, but it is not “ impossible-to-achieve”. Here is the real life Pirelli vs Michelin true comparison.
Definition of valid comparison is everything else the same, as close as possible.
What we have here are black E63s and selenite grey E63s same MY, picked up in Bobbingen, fresh out of the factory. Believe we can all agree that external color does not affect tire performance, true? Everything same, except for the tires! Then lets take a closer look.
These two cars made two exactly the same trips, on the same roads (100% GPS matching, 99% of the time! ). Each trip was more than 1k miles, so both set of tires reached their peak performance. And under the same road, weather, speed etc. conditions: mix of dry roads to wet and slippery in rain, to storm with heavy rain and very strong winds. Even with hail, during which most of people stopped on the freeway as visibility was close to zero. Street legal driving, at times up to 140 mph.
My observations: under the same conditions, as explained above I could not notice any difference between Michelin and Pirelli tires’ performance.
Well my friend, in conclusion, thanks for your kind words. Seems to me more like baseless accusations and jumping to the conclusion. Please cool off and get your facts straight before getting increasingly short-tempered.
Happy motoring all and keep safe!
I am merely submitting my own biased, very subjective info - like ride quality, perceived handling, crashing over expansion joints, etc..
I don't think you're reading the posts clearly. People here have had the Pzeros since new and PS4s since new on the same car, in the same conditions. THe PS4s are quieter, grip better and last longer. It's clearly the better tire. Nobody is comparing old worn Pzeros to brand new PS4s. I'm comparing new to new. worn to worn, Pzeros suck.
And to boot, the Michelins wear better. The Pirelli rears were dangerously squirrely at less than 7,500 miles. I have 8,000 on the Michelins now and they have plenty of tread. But I was unhappy with the Pirellis on a 2,000-mile road trip we took when the car was new. Switching to the Michelins was a huge relief. The more spirited you drive the car, the more apparent the difference in handling becomes.
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Originally Posted by whoover
And to boot, the Michelins wear better. The Pirelli rears were dangerously squirrely at less than 7,500 miles. I have 8,000 on the Michelins now and they have plenty of tread. But I was unhappy with the Pirellis on a 2,000-mile road trip we took when the car was new. Switching to the Michelins was a huge relief. The more spirited you drive the car, the more apparent the difference in handling becomes.
According to Tire Rack testing, the Perelli's have a lower rolling resistance and 15% better mpg. Also, they have steel belts vs. fabric. However, the treadware rating on the Michelin's is higher so better tread life.
According to Tire Rack testing, the Perelli's have a lower rolling resistance and 15% better mpg. Also, they have steel belts vs. fabric. However, the treadware rating on the Michelin's is higher so better tread life.
FWIW, I saw no better fuel consumption with the Pirellis, either with our average driving or on 1,000+ mile road trips, which we took with both.
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