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Old 12-26-2012, 11:37 AM
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CLS 63 to get 4matic?

It's common knowledge now that the 2014 E63 is likely to be available with 4matic. Is the same true of the 2014 CLS 63?

I can see some obvious advantages to adding 4matic. But, I do worry that it may sully the driving experience. One of the things I have enjoyed about my AMGs is that they feel a bit unhinged, versus the AWD competitors (such as Audi, whose cars to me seem uninteresting and clinical when driven).

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Not sure. I don't have a problem with it as long as MB equips it with a heavily rear biased 4matic with fully variable torque distribution. However, I think it will likely start out with a fixed split of front/rear 33/66 as the '14 E63. If it is available for the CLS63, my guess is all US market CLS63s to be exclusively AWD without a choice for RWD.

Hopefully the AMG's 4matic system is not one of those where you have to replace all four tires if you damage one tire.
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I have confirmed with Germany with my dealer that the CLS will come with a 4matic option.
If you read the MT and CD article, they clearly stated that the car is still tail happy and willing to drift but it just takes a bit more work.
30/70 split.
I have pushed my order for a 2014.
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I have confirmed information from one european dealer that 4-matic option for CLS Shooting Brake (and probably CLS) will be available in June-July 2013.
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I have confirmed with Germany with my dealer that the CLS will come with a 4matic option.
If you read the MT and CD article, they clearly stated that the car is still tail happy and willing to drift but it just takes a bit more work.
30/70 split.
I have pushed my order for a 2014.
When did you place your order, and when are you expecting delivery?
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2014 Mercedes-Benz CLS63 AMG 4MATIC

More power, improved traction for Mercedes' 4-door coupe.



The logic is pretty simple. Adding more power is useless unless sufficient traction is available to get it to the ground. That’s AMG’s thinking at least, and for 2014 the North American-bound CLS63 AMG four-door “coupe” gets the same all-wheel-drive system and power enhancements as those added to the previously announced 2014 E63 AMG four-door sedan. Little surprise, as the CLS, after all, is little more than a rebodied E-class; under the surface, the cars are virtually identical.

For the 2014 model year, the 5.5-liter twin-turbo V-8 rises in output from 518 horsepower to 550 hp and 531 lb-ft of torque, which was also the 2013 rating with the optional performance package. But on top of that, there now is an "S" version, which increases power output to 575 horsepower and torque to 590 lb-ft by raising boost pressure from 13.0 to 14.5 psi. Maximum torque is available in a broad range from 1750 rpm to 5250 rpm (up to “just” 5000 rpm on the S). As with the E63 AMG, the CLS63 AMG is governed at 155 mph (or 186 mph on the S), which still keeps a respectful distance to the car's full capabilities. The regular model goes from zero to 62 mph in 3.7 seconds, and the S shaves that a hair to 3.6 seconds.


The biggest change for 2014 is an all-wheel-drive system that’s standard equipment. No doubt, this makes the CLS63 a much better everyday car, with improved traction for less-than-optimal road surface conditions. But we have mixed opinions about this move: Despite the two-thirds rear torque bias of the 4MATIC system, it takes away some of this AMG's brutal muscle-car character. The 4MATIC system also adds 154 pounds, and there are power losses, if marginal, in the drivetrain. Europe still gets a rear-wheel-drive CLS63 AMG; we don't here in North America. But hey, it's another check mark for those customers who just "gotta have" everything.

The power is transmitted to all wheels through AMG's seven-speed "speedshift" automatic transmission, controlled through a beautiful, console-mounted shifter and by paddles on the steering wheel. There are four modes; "C" is the standard setting, and the letter doesn't stand for "comfort" anymore, but for "controlled efficiency;” a little monument to marketing speak. There are the more interesting "S" and "S+" sports settings, and a manual setting, which requires you to use the substantial-feeling metal paddles to change gears.

There are many ways to manipulate this CLS into submission: The stability control system offers three modes, and so does the electronically controlled coil-spring/air suspension. The electro-mechanical power steering adjusts according to the suspension setting. Like the E63 AMG, the CLS63 AMG comes with 255/35 front and 285/30 rear performance tires on 19-inch wheels; the S gets specific ten-spoke wheels, and the option of a brake system with carbon-ceramic rotors. And only with the S package comes a rear limited-slip differential and a modified front suspension.


The S also receives exclusive interior upgrades that aren’t available on the standard CLS63 AMG. There is a flat-bottom steering wheel, sports silver seat belts, silver contrast stitching, and a specific instrument cluster. A Bang & Olufsen stereo system is optional on all models.

The U.S. market will not get the CLS63 AMG Shooting Brake, a popular station wagon variant of the CLS in Europe, which now is available with a beautifully crafted cherry-wood load floor.

Visually, there are no changes to the newest edition of the CLS63 AMG; even the trapezoidal exhaust pipes, which have been discarded on the E63 AMG, carry on unchanged. Pricing of the new model will be announced closer to its launch later this year. The outgoing, rear-wheel-drive 2013 model still retails for $95,900, or $103,200 with the Performance Package. View Photo Gallery
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Shooting Brake 4-matic... 0-60 in 3.6 seconds

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We should be able to order in about 30 days per my dealer.
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I do not have the myriad of other cars you have so the 4matic is the best of both world for me. A super car performer in a 4 door sedan with the ability to still drift with a heavy foot and some skills.

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FYI : 4matic vehicles are obviously heavier & the have different ratio's in transmission and differentials ...
All these things will produce a slower more sluggish car.
for all the power and sporty enthusiast. 4matic cars accelerate Noticeably slower.
Drive a regular and then same model 4matic you will feel the difference.
You think the 4 matic is going to give you better traction for let's say a drag race? Well it's not. Your current 63 will always be faster.
If you want to accelerate harder and get a jump , Just buy better tires!
For guys that just want to have a better winter vehicle...... Just get a SUV!

Guys don't get me wrong I am a fan of 4matic, it works very well. And even a 63 with 4matic will be plenty fast.... It just will not be the upper hand in a in acceleration when you take the weight and ratio's into the equation.
Guys if I am wrong correct me.

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After looking at the data, it seems that you are right and the 1/4 mile times is down to a few tenths versus the .5 sec advantage at 60mph so the 2WD is catching up.
With that fact and the deeper discount I got, I could not pass my CLS order and ended up with the 2WD 2013 model.
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By no means do I know if the CLS63P will have the advantage or not, but according to MB the lack of AWD is the reason that a stock GT-R will eat the lunch of a stock CLS63 2WD. Looking at the specs for the car, with 577 or 585Hp (depending on what document/website you look on) and 590 foot pounds of torque and 0-60mph in 3.6 seconds is hella fast (super sports car fast). Isn't the 2013 at around 557hp and 590 torque, with a 0-60mph at 3.7-4.2 sec?

Honestly, I think the CLS63 (regardless of the version) is one of the best cars out there in its category. I remember the first time I saw the CLS in 2004, when I was stationed in Germany. I saw it and my jaw dropped out of my mouth, the car definitely turns heads, truly one beautiful car.

All this is just my opinion,
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After looking at the data, it seems that you are right and the 1/4 mile times is down to a few tenths versus the .5 sec advantage at 60mph so the 2WD is catching up.
With that fact and the deeper discount I got, I could not pass my CLS order and ended up with the 2WD 2013 model.
What color and options did you get?
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Not sure what the cls weighs in at but this is a
Nissian GTR
BASE TOTAL (LBS.)
Total
3,818
Weight distribution
53/4
53/47

You guys might of seen this already but if you didn't I just stumbled across this.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...enz-cls63-amg/

They are claiming the 4matic only adds 150lbs ??? That's really nothing if its true.
Hp plays a Big part but isn't everything Tony, weight plays a big part.
It's funny we car comparing a Cls (4door,comfortable,classy,refined,) to super cars... Pretty crazy.
To add to what you said Tony, the first time I saw cls I had same reaction LoL..... "I remember saying I have to own one of those cars,awesome body lines & I love the small windows......lol". (and for me back then that was only going to happen if I robbed a bank!!)
Long Live the CLS...
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Both the 2014 CLS63 4Matic and the CLS63 S-Model 4Matic are 4,355 lbs and the GT-R Premium is 3,829 lbs and the Black Edition is 3,818 lbs. So the GT-Rs are considerably lighter.
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Both the 2014 CLS63 4Matic and the CLS63 S-Model 4Matic are 4,355 lbs and the GT-R Premium is 3,829 lbs and the Black Edition is 3,818 lbs. So the GT-Rs are considerably lighter.
It's interesting to see that MB is testing it's new SLC along with the GT-R. It appears that there will be a 4 wheel drive version of that model with a 4 wheel drive/ transaxle configuration that will run in the sub 3 second range like the Nissan.

After all, the two companies now have a global partnership agreement.
While it's just speculation, i believe we may see a more advanced 4matic for AMG coming (a la GT-R). At that point 4matic will be a no brainer...
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Yes, let's share the technology with the partnership. Bring over the ATTESA-ETS PRO from Nissan! I'm really not too thrilled with the 33f/67r fixed torque split in the E63 and CLS63.
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Got matte alanite exterior with ash interior.
PP package.
I love the matte paint and it is the easiest paint to take care of.

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What color and options did you get?
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Got matte alanite exterior with ash interior.
PP package.
I love the matte paint and it is the easiest paint to take care of.
Very nice, when do you take delivery? I was struggling on what color to go with, all of my cars are black and I knew that I wasn't going to get another black one. So after a couple months of convincing the wife, she finally agreed to let me get the Magno Cashmere White. Initially when I saw the matte color on the CL63, I really didn't like it. After seeing the cashmere white, I had to have it.
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Took delivery 3 months ago. Love the car. Going to get it tuned soon.
The matte white is gorgeous as well. Congrats.
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Took delivery 3 months ago. Love the car. Going to get it tuned soon.
The matte white is gorgeous as well. Congrats.
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