mickey13

The connecting rod (conrod) connects the pistons, so in this case it's 8 rods. Each rod has a bearing (upper and lower). These are not AMG specific parts, AMG might make them or have them outsourced but plenty of companies make these. They are copper with another metal plated over it. If you see copper on the bearing then it's considered worn and should be replaced. The conrod bearings are not the only bearings in the engine though.

KJI3jflarryfe93

thanx for clearing this.

regarding your future mod: Fast cats?
What kind of cats are you looking for?
Something like this on 2 legs?
Vanity is a hottie

mickey13

Haha, yeah send her over. You'll be happy to know I am making progress on the engine teardown. I had to go to war with the crank pulley bolt "jesus bolt" I spent a day and a half hitting it with my impact wrench (350 tq) didn't do nothing. So I went to the store and bought all these things to make a pulley holder that I saw on youtube and I bought a MAP torch to heat the bolt, but before I could use any of that, I shoved a big screwdriver between the pulley and the case. I put a 4 foot breaker bar on my 1/2" ratchet and pulled really hard. I ended up shattering the hex bit impact socket. So the impact socket was already stuck on the bolt from my relentless attempt to get it off with the impact wrench so I grabbed my heavy hammer and just started pounding on the shattered impact socket. After that, I cracked it loose with a hex key and 4 foot breaker bar. I was really nervous the screwdriver was going to punch through, it hardly scored it though. Looking back, it was a real stupid thing to do! Anyway, I have the head bolts soaking in Liquid Wrench, I'll probably get up early tomorrow and pull the heads.

mickey13

Update:

Engine torn down and in pieces for a while now. Confused about what I should do. Twin Turbos might be an option. http://www.mymbonline.com/forum/179-...des-v6-v8.html

DRBC43AMG

How deep are your pockets??

mickey13

cm60k

Ahhhhhhh, good answer..

,,ZAYED,,

nkctb7

Mickey. Make certain that you take pics of everything before and after you disassemble it. The longer you wait, the harder it becomes. I'm aiming to purchase another low mileage motor soon and hopefully have my car completed before Sept.

mickey13

Some bolts just need to be replaced, so keeping/labeling them doesn't make sense. Also I am leaning very heavy towards sleeves and forged pstons at this point so a lot of the parts from my 5.4 engine will be up for sale or just trashed.

Someone who refreshed their engine said he spent around $1500 on everything and that was with the employee discount. Here are a couple of things I found that can be useful on the rebuild. Actually wanted to ask on the forum about this stuff.

Bunch of stuff here: http://weistec.com/all/e/e-55/2003-2...internals.html

Gasket Set? IDK if that will fit, not labeled m113, so don't know if these will work
Head Studs $699 (nissan arp below cheaper)
Rod Bolts $560
Engine Main Bolt Set $299
Bearing Assembly $799 - I think my bearings were OK. Might go over everything in next couple of weeks if I can somehow find time.
(I haven't tried to source these direct from MB yet. So I don't know comparison prices. Guessing you can get all of this stuff for less)

Also read on this forum that ARP bolts for Nissan will fit our cars, it's about $460 (will need 2 sets):
http://arp-bolts.com/kits/ARPkit-detail.php?RecordID=92

Not exactly engine but there is also:
Transmission Upgrade: (found a few but think this is the best one - of course, I think I saw somewhere on a hardcore build you can do yourself somewhere - can't remember)
http://turbobandit.com/Mercedes-Transmission

speed43

All this work PLEASE get yourself a good air intake! Needwings or whatever just get something and store that stock air restrictive air box. Why you guys think it's all about just the HP I don't get. Better air intake makes the car even MORE fun to drive. Engine breathes better, sound better, better mpg (normal driving). Passing cars at half throttle are a blast.

DRBC43AMG

I can confirm and I don't even have (yet) a 5.4 conversion

mickey13

First quote to sleeve my engine came in. Looks like they gave me the "Mercedes Mark Up" price.

HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mickey13

Darton retail price on their sleeve kit $1675 + Shipping. (I'm guessing wholesale or dealer sale is closer to $1000)

That's about 3x the cost of sleeves on American engines. I might have to hang around the racetrack by my house and meet some racers to get a break on this deal lol. Also, custom sleeves might be an option at this price.

The building price of $3500 is ridiculous, (this was from a private shop -nothing to do with Darton) installing sleeves on a German aluminum block is the same amount of work as an American aluminum block. Absolutely no extra steps:

1. clean
2. bore and hone
3. install with a bit of glue at room temp (according to Darton instructions)
3. deck
4. bore and hone


Edit. Discovered that these Darton sleeves are marketed for the 113.990, I specifically told them I want to use on the 113.980 motor when requesting quote. The spec sheet they sent me only says E55, so I sent an email asking if their quote was a mistake or these can also be used on the 113.980. I don't think they can, but let's find out what they say.

mickey13

Just food for thought. At these prices can probably get custom sleeves with larger displacement. Will poke around sleeve manufacturers and attempt to find an honest local machinist for installation to save shipping costs.


Something that is a given is Darton's retail price, that will not change and I also don't feel that it is fundamentally unfair. Their sleeves are practically custom as I'm sure they have hardly sold any of them at all. <------waiting for response to see if Darton application will work. see last post

mickey13

Got a reasonable quote from a well known builder for cost of custom built sleeve and install, but I think he can do better (I will get stuck with shipping charges though), will update you guys with more concrete stuff when the deal is made.

mickey13

I just bought another 5.4, this time out of a clk and it has 76k on the clock because everyone is telling me i really need to take my time doing my build and not to rush it.

seller has a e55 5.4 with 67k on the clock, he wants another $500 over what i paid for clk55. i'm feeling cheap and dont want to spend the extra $500.

KJI3jflarryfe93

don't tighten your a$$ for $500 bux!
for an x-tra $500 you get 7HP and another 20NM in torque.

mickey13

i thought it was agreed that the extra ponies from the e55 had to do with intake/exhaust/tuning and all the m113 engines were all exactly the same???

KJI3jflarryfe93

you'll be the king of the block if you go with E55 engine.
you'll be the prince of the block if you go with CLK55 engine.


e55 was more luxurious than clk55.
both cars couldn't be announced having the same HP/NM in the sales brochures.
people would have bought the cheaper car.
MB had to degrade CLK55 on paper which mean't less classy, less HP, lower price.
it was a sales marketing.

there had to be something different engine/ECU wise between CLK55 - E55 - S55

DRBC43AMG

Sure there are differences, but I guess they are all ECU mapping related. I don't thing there is anything differences on the mechanical side.

Found this info in wiki:The M113 5.5 is a 5.4 L (5439 cc) version with the same 97 mm bore as the E500 but with a longer 92 mm stroke. Output is 342 hp (255 kW) to 367 hp (255 kW to 270 kW) at 5500 rpm with 382 ft·lbf (518 N·m) to 391 ft·lbf (510 Nm - 530 Nm) of torque at 2800-5400 rpm.

• The w220 in S55 AMG 2000/2001 format was outfitted with the naturally aspirated 5.4L 367 hp (274 kW) V8
• The w210 in E55 AMG (1999-2002) format was outfitted with the naturally aspirated 5.4L 354 hp (264 kW) V8
• The w208 in CLK55 AMG (1996-2002) format was outfitted with the naturally aspirated 5.4L 342 hp (255 kW) V8

So I guess with the S55 engine and it's 367 hp you will certainly be more than the "king of the block", you'll be "emperor of the road..."

mickey13

i am fairly certain that all of these engines are exactly the same, I can look it up but i have a ton on my plate. i will try in the nest week or two though

if there is any physical differences between these engines at all, i'd suspect it would be the cams. quick search seems to point to the direction that the bore and stroke of all these models are identical.

also, i believe, and this is just my common sense kicking in so not really based on any facts i have in my possession, but the HP in those three cars mentioned above are directly related to their length. Longer car, more exhaust that can be worked and of course the s55 had a dual exhaust which neither the clk 55 or the e55 had. makes common sense that the s55 would have the greater HP. and i think it just goes to show us that really with a few tweeks, probably 2nd cat and res delete and a bit more air in the front, you can easily bump these motors up 25-50 hp

also, even if it is true that somehow the motors are different... i've already got a 99 w210 e55 motor waiting to be built lol. the one i just purchased was a 2002 clk55, so i have the compression bump on that one.

im making a list of things i need, seals, mounts, etc. i'll post it up for you guys to add/correct me maybe later tonnight

m00nsh0t

Looked it up on WIS, those engines all have the same part numbers for pretty much everything except the oil pan and exhaust (Except for the 2000+ motors with the compression boost). Im guessing the differences are caused by the exhaust systems.

mickey13

yeah also do not forget that the w209 clk55 has 367 as well.

What do you guys think about these headers? W208 Headers same brand used on w210 m113 e55 bumped 44 HP mid-range see 70 MPH. W210 LINK

Parts list for W208 M113 E55 swap into 99 C43.

Working List in Progress.
AH-autohauz OEM

Additional/Replacement Parts
Water Connector - 112 990 03 78 $2.38
A/C Compressor - Aftermarket (000 230 70 11) $118.74
Fuel Filter -

Mounts
x2 55K Engine mounts 220 240 27 17 $102.34 (AH $46.64)
x2 Subframe Screw - 202 990 22 01 $2.74 (AH $3.70)
x2 top bolts N304017010051 $2.86

trans mount - 220 240 02 18 $49.39 (AH $23.06)
x2 rear mount bolt N 000000 000428 $3.45 (AH 4.46)

Sealant
003-989-98-20-10 [Loctite 5970] (Oil Pan, Rear Seal Plate) $17.85

Rear Seal
rear main seal - 112 997 02 46 $24.40 (AH $9.43)
Rear Crankshaft Sealing Cover - 112 011 02 08 $27.97 (AH $37.50)
x8 Torque Converter Bolts - 004 990 32 12 $2.14
x11 Plate Bolts - 910 143 00 60 01 $1.43

Front Seal
front main seal - 023 997 84 47 $10.95 (AH $8.92)

Intake and Exhaust
Exhaust Manifold - Aftermarket $359.99
x8 exhaust manifold gaskets - 112 142 01 80 $1.79 (AH $2.38)
intake manifold gasket - 113 141 13 80 $6.66

Belts etc.
V-Belt 011 997 97 92 $35.11 (AH $26.63)
belt tensioner - 112 200 09 70 $178.50 (AH $121.35)
idler pulley - 000 202 00 19 $33.92 (AH$12.83)

Water Pump, Thermostat & Sensor
Water Pump - 112 200 14 01 Reman $154.70 New (AH $63.36)
Gasket - 112 201 00 80 $4.40 (AH $4.11)

Thermostat Element - 112 203 02 75 $24.40 (AH $18.86 kit gasket included)
Gasket - 112 203 00 76 $2.50 (AH $2.46)

Temperature Sensor - 000 905 07 00 $14.28 (AH $18.99)

Trans Refresh
8q Fluid - 001-989-68-03-10 $14.88 (AH $13.47 fuch)
Filter - 140 277 00 95 $8.33 (AH $13.99 kit gasket included)
Trans Pan Gasket - 140 271 00 80 $11.31 (AH $6.37)
Dipstick - ebay $7.69
Lock pin - 140-991-00-55 $1.31 (AH $1.81)
Trans Pan Drain Washer 140-271-00-60 $1.31 (AH $1.80)
13 Pin Connector - 203 540 00 53 $10.95 (AH $14.72)
Conductor Plate - 140-270-11-61 $213.01 (AH $162.93)
Pressure Regulator Valve Spring -
Torque Converter Washer N 007603010100 $0.95 (AH $0.24)
Shifter Bushing -

Pressure Regulator Spring Sonnax 68942-01



Inspect

MAF
Tranny Seal
Tranny Cooler Lines
Radiator 202-500-78-03 $192.78 (AH $237.28)
Upper and Lower Rad Hoses

m00nsh0t

Those are actually the exact headers I ordered and are currently on my 5.4 thats waiting to go in. Build quality seems good, the welds are well done.

mickey13

cool, i read a few posts on here that they need to be brought to a machine shop for some finishing... i hope not. did you notice anything on my parts list missing?