Alignment spec.
#26
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Companies who supply software with alignment equipment don't always get the specs correct and nearly always generalise between models. Even the main MB dealership here didn't have C43 as an option on there hunter equipment.
I will post the mb wis specs for C43/CLk55 if you like
PJ, I confused your front total toe with toe for each side, looks fine!.
I will post the mb wis specs for C43/CLk55 if you like
PJ, I confused your front total toe with toe for each side, looks fine!.
Last edited by Pagz; 05-05-2015 at 03:37 PM.
#27
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Companies who supply software with alignment equipment don't always get the specs correct and nearly always generalise between models. Even the main MB dealership here didn't have C43 as an option on there hunter equipment.
I will post the mb wis specs for C43/CLk55 if you like
I will post the mb wis specs for C43/CLk55 if you like
#28
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The castor did get bumped up a lot which is likely why the wheels are in a different position in the wheelwell.
What I find is kind of strange is how the castor changed so much. If both adjusters for the lower control arms were moved the same amount inward, then the castor should have changed very little, and that is how you'd want to do it for maximum camber correction to get closer to spec. It is almost like he only moved the front adjuster inward as this would account for a slight camber change but a much larger castor change.
Its impossible to say for certain without seeing the bolts and how they are set currently though, It's all just speculation as to what you can do without knowing the bolt positions. Maybe the rear adjuster was already maxxed out and couldn't be moved further for all I know and only the front one was able to be adjusted.
What I find is kind of strange is how the castor changed so much. If both adjusters for the lower control arms were moved the same amount inward, then the castor should have changed very little, and that is how you'd want to do it for maximum camber correction to get closer to spec. It is almost like he only moved the front adjuster inward as this would account for a slight camber change but a much larger castor change.
Its impossible to say for certain without seeing the bolts and how they are set currently though, It's all just speculation as to what you can do without knowing the bolt positions. Maybe the rear adjuster was already maxxed out and couldn't be moved further for all I know and only the front one was able to be adjusted.
Would you care to give me your opinion on the situation if i go under and snap a few pictures of the bolts and how they sit in?
I trust my friend, he doees wonders but i just dont understand this issue ive been having with my car lately up until i put the kmac in. My car was always this low. There was never wandering around or anything. Trust me id know
I covered all northern california with my car. I wouldnt drive it nowhere out of town if the suspension was like this back then. Its been so long since i took my car out of town because i just dont feel like its a good idea to drive it far with the way it is plus its rough as hell.
kmac kit made things a hell of a lot easier but i still refuse to believe it was necessary in order to correct the wandering around. It does help with tire wear since it corrects the camber a bit
this below is a pic of my car from years ago. Same suspension setup and everything. The car drove perfectly fin
the wheels are in the center as they should be and its all stock components except bilstein sports and h&r springs.
im not liking this frankestein setup right now :/
#29
if your car is not they way you want it to be after you installed everything and did an aligment.
something may not be installed correct or something else on your car is bad?
did you have everything checked out in front and rear suspension?
i bought every suspension part for my car when I had my suspension overhauled 2 years ago.
now she rides hard and nasty like a slutty girl, Kowalski likes it a lot!
do you still drive without spring rubbers in front?
maybe that's your issue?
have a sljivovic and mellow
ziveli.
something may not be installed correct or something else on your car is bad?
did you have everything checked out in front and rear suspension?
i bought every suspension part for my car when I had my suspension overhauled 2 years ago.
now she rides hard and nasty like a slutty girl, Kowalski likes it a lot!
do you still drive without spring rubbers in front?
maybe that's your issue?
have a sljivovic and mellow
ziveli.
#30
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Haha no sljivovica bro that ****s hella strong
Btw only two things i can think off that might have issues are the steering assembly and shocks might be on their way out. Ive had my bilstein sports on my car for over 80k. How long do they normally last?
Btw only two things i can think off that might have issues are the steering assembly and shocks might be on their way out. Ive had my bilstein sports on my car for over 80k. How long do they normally last?
#31
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a big change in caster like you apparently just had will definitely change the way the car steers and tracks down the road.
#32
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your running almost 3* more castor than i am. and your about 2* more than where your car was before, when you said it drive fine... thats the problem im guessing.
and the guy at my shop was very clear that he didnt want to mess with my castor much. he was ok dialing in more camber if i wanted it just knowing it might cause some uneven wear but he told me he didnt want to mess wtih castor too much.
and the guy at my shop was very clear that he didnt want to mess with my castor much. he was ok dialing in more camber if i wanted it just knowing it might cause some uneven wear but he told me he didnt want to mess wtih castor too much.
#33
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Sure Thing to remember is that MB uses vehicle level(axle angle)to determine what camber should be, if vehicle level is within specs than camber should be too..if not then use camber bolts to correct to camber shown in table at the specified height, if height is out correct with springs and pads to the correct height. Also note the front toe value is with a toe press in place, so actual value could be more like ~.15 -.20 +/- .10
So you can see there is no actual camber angle specified for outside of the specified vehicle level, this is because geometry gets stuffed up.
As said the rear axle level on CLK55 is slightly lower, it has different rear spring/pad combo but geometry/suspension setup is identical so uses same camber table.
So you can see there is no actual camber angle specified for outside of the specified vehicle level, this is because geometry gets stuffed up.
As said the rear axle level on CLK55 is slightly lower, it has different rear spring/pad combo but geometry/suspension setup is identical so uses same camber table.
Last edited by Pagz; 05-07-2015 at 04:04 PM.
#34
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Heres my alignment from 2009 lowered on same suspension setup stock bushings. The car did not wander around back then
is it me or was the kmac kit a waste of money for me? Not really sure i fully understand the differences between the two alignment sheets
is it me or was the kmac kit a waste of money for me? Not really sure i fully understand the differences between the two alignment sheets
#37
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you caster has changed 3 degrees almost from your previous spec. im no expert by any means but i gotta imagine thats why your car is wandering around on the road.
#38
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Have you checked tread depth on the outside of the tire vs the inside? ie is the tire cone shaped from wear? that will also contribute to your tracking.
#39
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All im saying is that with stock suspension the car was at 2.4 camber and thats probably without them even trying to see if they could tune it in more. We all know most alignment shops do t do **** right.
at the end of the day kmac kit gave me a .2 adjustment and considering that my car did not wander around before or after that alignment in 2009 kmac was a complete waste of money for me.
if your car is this low do not bother getting kmac
Obviously there is no need to bump up the caster that much either.
Again car was driving perfectly fine back then with the settings you see in that old alignment sheet
What gives? I really dont know. Could be tires i guess. Could it also be saggy shocks or springs that caused the car to drop slightly more? When you are this low, i would imagine that any extra millimeter lower is pushing it
at the end of the day kmac kit gave me a .2 adjustment and considering that my car did not wander around before or after that alignment in 2009 kmac was a complete waste of money for me.
if your car is this low do not bother getting kmac
Obviously there is no need to bump up the caster that much either.
Again car was driving perfectly fine back then with the settings you see in that old alignment sheet
What gives? I really dont know. Could be tires i guess. Could it also be saggy shocks or springs that caused the car to drop slightly more? When you are this low, i would imagine that any extra millimeter lower is pushing it
#40
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I'll take your K-Mac kit :naughty:
Tires man. Mine wandered bad when I purchased it & the tires were shot. I replaced a bunch of new front end components & alignments they all made a noticable difference...but did not solve the car tracking with every road imperfection. New tires eliminated this.
I had a new tie rod/drag link assembly installed. I don't recommend this, but I waited on the alignment because I figured I'd be getting new parts soon anyway. Excessive camber caused inner tire wear & it was tracking/following the road and grooves like when I first purchased the 43. New front tires installed last week & the problem is gone.
How's your inner tire wear?
I had a new tie rod/drag link assembly installed. I don't recommend this, but I waited on the alignment because I figured I'd be getting new parts soon anyway. Excessive camber caused inner tire wear & it was tracking/following the road and grooves like when I first purchased the 43. New front tires installed last week & the problem is gone.
How's your inner tire wear?
#41
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Normally my tires would wear on the inside down to the cords and i would still have plenty of tire left on the outside. I dont remember tracking even when id drive on shot tires that were showing cords. I was always fine with my setup. I figured shorter tire life is a price to pay for being so low. At some point car started wandering around and that really annoyed the crap out of me
I woult think maybe my toe setting got messed up somewhere along the road but from my understanding the toe reading on the alignment sheet looked normal
I woult think maybe my toe setting got messed up somewhere along the road but from my understanding the toe reading on the alignment sheet looked normal
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