Why No manual 6 speed?
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Why No manual 6 speed?
I was just curious why no manual 6 speed. I love 6 speed cars. Before purchasing my C 63 I really wanted a CTS V BUT only with a 6 speed and recaro seats. Then I drove the C63 and it was ALL OVER.
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Probably the same reason why they dont come with drum brakes or carbs.....
Its been proven time and again in all the mags that a manual 6 speed cant snap a quicker shift than an MCT, DCT, PDK.....
Its been proven time and again in all the mags that a manual 6 speed cant snap a quicker shift than an MCT, DCT, PDK.....
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True true...but WHERE'S THE FUN???
I do miss having a stick shift. There's just something about using your left foot and a stick shifter that makes you feel more connected to the car.
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The difference between a manual an an auto (whether mct, dct, tunes slushbox, whatever), is one is driving.. the other is steering
I agree, form a pure performance standpoint, modern technology has come along way in automatic developments, and while in the past manuals were quicker then autos, that is not true anymore, even the argument that you can get better gas mileage is no longer the case.
However, the one true feature that a manual has over an auto (this does not include mct/dct types), is that manuals have less power loss along the drive train, where as a slushbox has around 10 to 20% power loss between the engine and the wheels...
But I agree.. speed or not.. manuals are fun
I agree, form a pure performance standpoint, modern technology has come along way in automatic developments, and while in the past manuals were quicker then autos, that is not true anymore, even the argument that you can get better gas mileage is no longer the case.
However, the one true feature that a manual has over an auto (this does not include mct/dct types), is that manuals have less power loss along the drive train, where as a slushbox has around 10 to 20% power loss between the engine and the wheels...
But I agree.. speed or not.. manuals are fun
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AMG's have always been produced in auto gear box.
6 speed would be fun though in this car.
If I had a dedicated track car I would go with a straight cut gear box.
6 speed would be fun though in this car.
If I had a dedicated track car I would go with a straight cut gear box.
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Designing a manual to be able to handle 444 Ft lbs of torque also has to be very costly...Maybe MB will bring back the C55 AMG and also carry the C63 next gen? The C55 would come with a stick option?
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Same trans they use in the C6 Z06. Cost is between 3-4k.
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Not really.. The mitsu evo 5 speed has no problem doing it (not so much the 4th gear of the 6 speed). I've seen boosted Hondas put that much through their stock gear boxes as well (with lsd and aftermarket clutch of course).
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I agree but ... it would be nice to be able to do the old clutch kicks ones in a while ....
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Yes. but at what cost? Bigger drivetrain loss that's for sure. So a quicker shift but 8-10% less power to the wheels.
If they made a C63 in a manual I don't think anyone would choose the slush box over it.
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An X-Trac sequential box with clutch will set you back about 40G's, and they are available for the M156 engine. They will hold up to Viper level torque 600 +ft lbs.
It's not really a good street set up with the straight cut gears it's a bit...loud for street use.
It's not really a good street set up with the straight cut gears it's a bit...loud for street use.
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That would be a great idea, but MB designs their transmissions in house. If they had put the Getrag DCT in the C63, it would of REALLY been a M3 killer.
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The original concept of AMG was stealth saloons based on MBZ offerings. Since MBZ last manual gear box was only designed for the SLK 2.3 compressor motor, their weren't any alternatives. I did drive a early BMW 740i with a manual tranny and it really wasn't much fun.
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From my understanding, the MCT utilizes a small wet clutch instead of a torque converter to get the gears going, which provided a huge improvement in shift times, but isn't as smooth at low speeds. The DCT utilizes 2 separate clutches working together to provide instant gear changes. During a gear shift, the second clutch already has the next gear engaged before the first clutch disengages its current gear, providing seamless shifts.
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unless you want to do something else than the gearbox expects... like wanting to downshift 2 gears. Drove a Golf R the other day and found it horrible jerky and uncomfortable, where I drive new 63's regularly for my work and never really get that. Smooth and fast. mind you its street driving
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unless you want to do something else than the gearbox expects... like wanting to downshift 2 gears. Drove a Golf R the other day and found it horrible jerky and uncomfortable, where I drive new 63's regularly for my work and never really get that. Smooth and fast. mind you its street driving