Why No manual 6 speed?
Thread Starter
Member
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 215
Likes: 1
From: Simi Valley CA
2007 CLS 63 030 package 2011 C63 1997 Dodge Viper GTS
Why No manual 6 speed?
I was just curious why no manual 6 speed. I love 6 speed cars. Before purchasing my C 63 I really wanted a CTS V BUT only with a 6 speed and recaro seats. Then I drove the C63 and it was ALL OVER.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,515
Likes: 17
From: Toronto
2016 C63 S
Probably the same reason why they dont come with drum brakes or carbs.....
Its been proven time and again in all the mags that a manual 6 speed cant snap a quicker shift than an MCT, DCT, PDK.....
Its been proven time and again in all the mags that a manual 6 speed cant snap a quicker shift than an MCT, DCT, PDK.....
Member
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 220
Likes: 0
From: Virginia, USA
2009 C63 AMG
True true...but WHERE'S THE FUN???
I do miss having a stick shift. There's just something about using your left foot and a stick shifter that makes you feel more connected to the car.
Thread Starter
Member
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 215
Likes: 1
From: Simi Valley CA
2007 CLS 63 030 package 2011 C63 1997 Dodge Viper GTS
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,955
Likes: 7
2017 Mini Cooper S Clubman ALL4 - British Racing Green
The difference between a manual an an auto (whether mct, dct, tunes slushbox, whatever), is one is driving.. the other is steering 
I agree, form a pure performance standpoint, modern technology has come along way in automatic developments, and while in the past manuals were quicker then autos, that is not true anymore, even the argument that you can get better gas mileage is no longer the case.
However, the one true feature that a manual has over an auto (this does not include mct/dct types), is that manuals have less power loss along the drive train, where as a slushbox has around 10 to 20% power loss between the engine and the wheels...
But I agree.. speed or not.. manuals are fun
I agree, form a pure performance standpoint, modern technology has come along way in automatic developments, and while in the past manuals were quicker then autos, that is not true anymore, even the argument that you can get better gas mileage is no longer the case.
However, the one true feature that a manual has over an auto (this does not include mct/dct types), is that manuals have less power loss along the drive train, where as a slushbox has around 10 to 20% power loss between the engine and the wheels...
But I agree.. speed or not.. manuals are fun
Trending Topics
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 6,677
Likes: 4
From: Los Angeles
C63
AMG's have always been produced in auto gear box.
6 speed would be fun though in this car.
If I had a dedicated track car I would go with a straight cut gear box.
6 speed would be fun though in this car.
If I had a dedicated track car I would go with a straight cut gear box.
Last edited by _AMG_; May 7, 2012 at 03:57 PM.
MB World Stories
The Best of Mercedes & AMG
6 Mercedes Models That Did NOT Age Well (But Are Somehow Still Cool)
Verdad Gallardo
Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren
Verdad Gallardo
8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine
Verdad Gallardo
Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction
Verdad Gallardo
Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping
Verdad Gallardo
Super Member
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 660
Likes: 3
From: Maryland
2006 C55, 1995 C36
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 1,390
Likes: 14
From: MD
Cars.
Designing a manual to be able to handle 444 Ft lbs of torque also has to be very costly...Maybe MB will bring back the C55 AMG and also carry the C63 next gen? The C55 would come with a stick option?
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 6,677
Likes: 4
From: Los Angeles
C63
Same trans they use in the C6 Z06. Cost is between 3-4k.
Last edited by _AMG_; May 7, 2012 at 07:12 PM.
Super Member
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 579
Likes: 0
From: SF Bay Area
2009 C63, 2000 ML 430, 1994 Del Sol Vtec
Not really.. The mitsu evo 5 speed has no problem doing it (not so much the 4th gear of the 6 speed). I've seen boosted Hondas put that much through their stock gear boxes as well (with lsd and aftermarket clutch of course).
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 320
Likes: 1
From: DC
C63
I agree but ... it would be nice to be able to do the old clutch kicks ones in a while ....
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,974
Likes: 2
From: NY
See Sig
Yes. but at what cost? Bigger drivetrain loss that's for sure. So a quicker shift but 8-10% less power to the wheels.
If they made a C63 in a manual I don't think anyone would choose the slush box over it.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,309
Likes: 86
From: Cave Creek, AZ and Newport Beach
'22 G 63 AMG, '21 GLE 53 AMG, '20 NSX
An X-Trac sequential box with clutch will set you back about 40G's, and they are available for the M156 engine. They will hold up to Viper level torque 600 +ft lbs.
It's not really a good street set up with the straight cut gears it's a bit...loud for street use.
It's not really a good street set up with the straight cut gears it's a bit...loud for street use.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 4,026
Likes: 7
From: Walnut Creek, CA
Vivid Racing '09 C63 AMG
Typo?
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 1,390
Likes: 14
From: MD
Cars.
That would be a great idea, but MB designs their transmissions in house. If they had put the Getrag DCT in the C63, it would of REALLY been a M3 killer.
Last edited by -=Hot|Ice=-; May 8, 2012 at 02:29 AM.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 6,677
Likes: 4
From: Los Angeles
C63
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,601
Likes: 10
From: San Diego/San Francisco
AMG GLC63. Audi R8
The original concept of AMG was stealth saloons based on MBZ offerings. Since MBZ last manual gear box was only designed for the SLK 2.3 compressor motor, their weren't any alternatives. I did drive a early BMW 740i with a manual tranny and it really wasn't much fun.
Super Member
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 639
Likes: 0
From: SoCal, Orlando/Miami FL USA, Japan
2012 C63 AMG BS, 2010 DUCATI 1198S
I absolutely love my BS, and although the MCT is a vast improvement over the previous tranny, I was very disappointed that MB didn't utilize the DCT that they have in the SLS.
Super Member
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 639
Likes: 0
From: SoCal, Orlando/Miami FL USA, Japan
2012 C63 AMG BS, 2010 DUCATI 1198S
From my understanding, the MCT utilizes a small wet clutch instead of a torque converter to get the gears going, which provided a huge improvement in shift times, but isn't as smooth at low speeds. The DCT utilizes 2 separate clutches working together to provide instant gear changes. During a gear shift, the second clutch already has the next gear engaged before the first clutch disengages its current gear, providing seamless shifts.
Super Member
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 501
Likes: 0
From: New Zealand
CLK55 AMG
unless you want to do something else than the gearbox expects... like wanting to downshift 2 gears. Drove a Golf R the other day and found it horrible jerky and uncomfortable, where I drive new 63's regularly for my work and never really get that. Smooth and fast. mind you its street driving
Super Member
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 639
Likes: 0
From: SoCal, Orlando/Miami FL USA, Japan
2012 C63 AMG BS, 2010 DUCATI 1198S
unless you want to do something else than the gearbox expects... like wanting to downshift 2 gears. Drove a Golf R the other day and found it horrible jerky and uncomfortable, where I drive new 63's regularly for my work and never really get that. Smooth and fast. mind you its street driving
