TT C6

I wanted to start this thread to compile information for the 2015 W205 C63:
Magazine and internet articles, rumors, facts, and specifications, release dates, etc.

I have read rumors that the 2015 C63 will receive the M157 5.5 Liter V8 twin turbo engine and the 4matic all wheel drive system from the 2014 E63 and a dual clutch transmission.

If the 2015 C63 indeed receives the M157, 4matic, and a DCT, I think it will be the ultimate daily driver..... especially for four season climates.

I am dying for this car and any information I can find prior to it's release.

My favorite article so far:
Mercedes C63 AMG
Our photographers have also spotted the new C63 AMG testing ahead of its 2014 release date. The images in our gallery show it sporting bigger, chunkier bumpers, large alloy wheels and twin exhaust housings at the rear.

Unlike the present car, with its 6.3-litre V8, the new C63 will be powered by a more efficient 5.5-litre twin-turbo V8. It is expected to have the same 518bhp output as the E63 and CLS 63, which also use the newer turbocharged engine. That’s a jump of 67bhp.

It will also have the same AMG-tuned seven-speed MCT automatic transmission, which along with retuned adaptive suspension, stronger brakes and less weight should help it improve on the current C63 AMG’s 4.5-second 0-62mph time, while using less fuel.

Meanwhile, a four-wheel drive C63 AMG is considered. AMG’s senior powertrain engineering manager, Dr Jorg Gindele said: “Yes, a C63 is possible. There is one car already [a prototype at AMG's headquarters in Affalterbach, Germany]. I know this because it’s my car!”

Read more: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mercede...#ixzz2WXdlTDKD


Articles:


http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...mule-spy-shots

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...py-photos-news

http://autowebs.eu/2013/03/next-gen-...placement.html



http://www.***********.com/content.php?2875-Next-generation-W205-C63-AMG-to-be-twin-turbo-and-get-the-M157-AMG-V8-M3-overmatched-Spy-photos

http://www.***********.com/content.p...version-coming

http://www.***********.com/content.p...ll-wheel-drive

http://rumors.automobilemag.com/deep...#axzz2UE8wirXq

Engine:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/sc...-amg-get-40-v8
http://blog.caranddriver.com/mercede...s-replacement/

DiscoZ

Ugh... a lighter, racier 4L TT V8 with RWD and a real DCT far more appealing. Doesn't the A45 have a true DCT?

TT C6

We agree on the fact that the lower the curb weight, and the "racier" the sedan, the better.
But, Negative on the RWD.
If I wanted a RWD sedan, I would buy the CTS-V.
I want AWD for anything over 3,300lbs, especially a daily driven sedan.

I already have true sport coupes for RWD.

DiscoZ

Buy a S4!

TT C6

I won't buy a Audi S4 until Audi pulls their head out of their *** and AT LEAST offers the 4.0 liter V8 twin turbo from the S6 in a S4 variant.

That 3.0 liter TFSI engine is great with a tune.....for a 2,000lb car.

If these rumors of a M157, 4matic, and DCT for the next lighter and sportier C63, there will be no reason to look at anything else.

mr747

You have a year wait to find out exactly what is happening

I heard its a 4.0 not a 5.5

Harold1898

I am hearing from the AMG boys that it is the 5.5. I hope so.

mr747

Harold I hope it is

It will be a whole new animal if so

Killswitch747

I heard straight from a AMG Representative that it will share engine components similar to the new E63. So 5.5 Biturbo V8 it is. I was lucky enough to catch and hear the car in person while I was in Affalterbach. Took a quick pick of the new car in camo before it sprinted away.

callmiro

I think it almost certain that the new AMG C will not get the 5.5TT. Benz won't make the same mistake twice and offer the same motor thats in the $60K C as the $150K S AMG

There will be a clear delineation. You want big power.....you pay $90K+ and get the 5.5TT in the E/CLS/S/S Coupe/GL/G

You want quick agile performer....you pay $60K+ and get the 4.0TT

Everything in this thread is specualtion, except for some of the spy shots

TT C6

Mistake ????!!!
Engine sharing is GENIUS.

The prestige should be in the MODEL of car, not the ENGINE.
If snobs must be pacified, then can "underrate" the M157 in the C63.
If the MUST lower the power, simply have the C63 leave the factory with less boost, but still offer the IDENTICAL M157 in the C63.

The combination of M157, 4matic, and DCT has me running to buy my first Benz.
I am a lifetime Corvette/Muscle Car buyer and would have never even considered a Benz until I heard about this combination.
It isn't a mistake, it is a GENIUS decision for Benz.

Harold1898

You may well be right but with respect, your assumption is also just speculation. Remember, in non USA markets these cars are big money. Over here with a few options you touch $200k for the C63. Granted the E runs into $250k but it is a different market. The C attracts a less conservative and more fun loving buyer. I could easily buy an E but it doesn't appeal to me like a C.

callmiro

Its absolutely a mistake if you are trying to charge a premium and trying to differentiate...hence the changes that will come...

I'm sure if you drove a C63 you would've considered a Benz years back....just like everyone in this forum did

callmiro

You are absolutely right...i am specualting as well....with a very focussed eye.

If a C63 is $200k there, then how much is an S63...its easier to justify the price difference and exclusivity with a differentiated drivetrain

NickAMG

I wonder if they'll keep the 255 size rear tires with over 500+ hp...

Harold1898

S63 runs circa $430k drive away but with options can touch $500k.

TT C6

People that have more money than sense will always overpay for things.
Putting a great engine in the C63 will not change that.

If the C63 rumors are true, it will be a great daily driver for the educated car fan if the current MSRP is maintained.
If so, it will undoubtedly capture buyers from other brands that would have never even considered a Benz before like me.


I would never consider a Benz without the AWD, DCT, big V8, and forced induction. That combination in a lightweight sedan makes it the ultimate daily driver.
I have been driving much better performing cars in the meantime.

jvanbrecht

Lighweight... not quite.. I think the curb weight on our cars is around 3900 pounds, that is not light in anyway.

TT C6

I couldn't agree with you more.
Unfortunately, we are living in a day of 3,900 "sports coupes" and it's only getting worse.

But, weight is relative. And the W205 C63 will be relatively light compared to it's competition.

http://rumors.automobilemag.com/deep...#axzz2UE8wirXq

Although the C-Class is a relatively low-margin product by M-B standards, the company decided to spend an extra $350 per unit on making the roof, all four doors, the front fenders, hood, and trunk lid of aluminum rather than steel. As a result, the lightest new C-Class weighs less than 3086 lbs, an advantage which is bound to pay off at the wheel and at the pumps.

mthis

Have you guys looked at the weight of for 4door on MBUSA. Is that a mis print?
I know the 2 door comes with pano roof thats heavier but 200#

callmiro

Hoping people will do that and ensuring people do that are 2 different things. Mercedes, and especially AMG is moving into a new tiered approach when it comes to the entire line-up....

Dont get too hung up on displacement. The McLaren 12C has a 4L TT (which won "engine of the year" and makes over 620hp) as well as the Audi S8 (which makes over 520hp)

TT C6

Don't get hung up on displacement???
As a guy who's been building engines for over 20 years, YES, I will get hung up on displacement. But, thanks.

The larger displacement of the M157 compared to Audi/Cadillac, combined with 4matic, is the only reason I started to give AMG a look.
Combine all of that with the lower weight expected in the next C63, and you'll have a winner.

So, AMG shouldn't put the M157 in the C63 because they will discourage sales of LARGER, more prestigious, and more expensive models?
That's ridiculous.

I don't want the snobbery/prestige/size/weight/price of a S, or even an E class.
I just want an AWD performance car that I can use as a low profile daily driver, without looking like a ricer/kid and without spending an obscene amount of money.

callmiro

It's not that AMG shouldn't. It's that AMG won't. Theyre already getting rid of most of the '65s (V12TT) so the differentiation will move downstream

It's not that it discourage the sale of higher price cars but it does make it harder to justify

5.5TT AWD with the 7SPD exists in the E63 and CLS63 for around $100k....so how do they sell that same drivetrain for $65k in the C?

jvanbrecht

And I want the performance of an R8 for the cost of an S4....

Mercedes is in the business of selling cars, if they could not sell the AMG E class because you get the same performance, and to some extent amenities within the vehicle as the C class version, then it will not sell. That is alot of money in R&D and manufacturing of the E class going down the drain.

They do not want to cannibalize sales of various upper end models.

Now that said, we might still get a variant of an existing V8, it might be the 5.5TT it might be a smaller engine, no matter what, it will share an engine with another platform as it is too costly to develop another engine just for the C class. And no matter which engine, it will definately be underpowered compared to the bigger brothers.

TT C6

No problem. It's called a Corvette.
Glad I could help.
(I thought every car guy knew this by now)


Simply.
The C63 does not offer the larger size and the prestige of the E63.
End of story.

I do NOT want a 4.0 liter engine. I want a 5.5 liter engine.
If I wanted a 4.0 TT, I would have bought the S6.
AMG can shove this M177 in a chick car.
Give me the M157 in a lightweight C63 with 4matic and a DCT.


http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/sc...-amg-get-40-v8
http://blog.caranddriver.com/mercede...s-replacement/