Matte C63 AMG Black Series. Pricey...
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Matte C63 AMG Black Series. Pricey...
Car is absolutely gorgeous. The seller claims that this is 1 of 4 brought to the USA.
http://www.globalautosports.com/car/...upe-87448.html
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don't think so. look at the pic of the right rear side from further back. the same spider web is still there. if it were a reflection the angle change would have shown it accordingly.
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I can assure you there were more than 4 built in that color. The simple fact that it is not an aero package car makes it far less desirable and makes the asking price way off base. Aero package & track package cars are currently fetching MSRP or higher on the used market, non-aero package cars are selling for under MSRP...if they sell at all. A guy I know just picked up a matte black non-aero package car with 2800 miles for under $100k at dealer in Chicago about a month or so ago. Watch how long this one sits around at that price, kinda like the one in FL that has been listed for $120k for the past 3-4 months lol. Non-Aero BS values will take an even bigger hit once the 507's hit the market.
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Doubt the 507's will even affect pricing at all. The US got shafted on the base cars (compared to Canada) with no CF or Perf Media, and the base cars are all selling under MSRP right now.
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CBS without the track pack will take a hit once 507 hits the streets. People considering CBS for dd will consider the 507. Even in Canada they have sold this year for under 100 used will less mileage than this one. Still a great car and not an investment so some depreciation is to b expected.
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I can assure you there were more than 4 built in that color. The simple fact that it is not an aero package car makes it far less desirable and makes the asking price way off base. Aero package & track package cars are currently fetching MSRP or higher on the used market, non-aero package cars are selling for under MSRP...if they sell at all. A guy I know just picked up a matte black non-aero package car with 2800 miles for under $100k at dealer in Chicago about a month or so ago. Watch how long this one sits around at that price, kinda like the one in FL that has been listed for $120k for the past 3-4 months lol. Non-Aero BS values will take an even bigger hit once the 507's hit the market.
But once the 507 comes out... things will definitely change for the non aero/track which is a little disappointing on MBUSAs part... but like Jim, I don't really care all that much. I love the car and that's all that matters.
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How do you figure the 507's will not affect non aero pkg, base equiped C BS's? The 507 can be orderd with LSD, comes standard with P31, can be ordred with matte paint, can be ordered with CF trim, can be ordered with multi-media pkg and comes with BS hood for $25k less than a base BS. The only thing lacking on the 507 is a wide body and a dif cooler. Trust me, for the money people will buy a new 507 coupe vs a used base BS, I know I would.
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How do you figure the 507's will not affect non aero pkg, base equiped C BS's? The 507 can be orderd with LSD, comes standard with P31, can be ordred with matte paint, can be ordered with CF trim, can be ordered with multi-media pkg and comes with BS hood for $25k less than a base BS. The only thing lacking on the 507 is a wide body and a dif cooler. Trust me, for the money people will buy a new 507 coupe vs a used base BS, I know I would.
As for pricing, I'm just guessing. You might be right, the average buyer might think the 507 and a base BS are the same cars. They might just buy a 507 and slap on a BS wing too and pass on the aero cars for the same reason. The people that know about the BS are the guys that will keep the price up due to the low production numbers (again, just a guess). Not that it really matters, it's not like you or I are selling our cars anytime soon lol.
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It's nice to see an unbiased, Un-FAN boy approach to the realistic status of Black Series pricing and sales such as the one by Jrcart. Some people are just a little bothered that a p31 or a 507 may be just as competitive, just as performance stacked as the BS. JRcart is right, the novelty and the uniqueness of the BS may take a hit with the release of the 507. Use common sense. You can only blow smoke up your own rear end for only so long...
What sets apart the BS is the fender package, suspension and a few other tid bits that can be upgraded aftermarket on a 507 or p31...
What sets apart the BS is the fender package, suspension and a few other tid bits that can be upgraded aftermarket on a 507 or p31...
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Here is one w/o the track package, priced at 115.8k
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...Index=10&Log=0
I thought that the price would go down after the 507 release too. Seems that the BS badge is really pricey... :-)
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...Index=10&Log=0
I thought that the price would go down after the 507 release too. Seems that the BS badge is really pricey... :-)
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It's nice to see an unbiased, Un-FAN boy approach to the realistic status of Black Series pricing and sales such as the one by Jrcart. Some people are just a little bothered that a p31 or a 507 may be just as competitive, just as performance stacked as the BS. JRcart is right, the novelty and the uniqueness of the BS may take a hit with the release of the 507. Use common sense. You can only blow smoke up your own rear end for only so long...
What sets apart the BS is the fender package, suspension and a few other tid bits that can be upgraded aftermarket on a 507 or p31...
What sets apart the BS is the fender package, suspension and a few other tid bits that can be upgraded aftermarket on a 507 or p31...
I was just surprised by Jim's comment over buying a 507 over a base BS more than anything. As I've owned both cars, there is no way I would make such a choice. YMMV.
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We'll revisit this topic in a few years and see what happens. Fact is, if it was that easy predicting prices, we'd all be rich flipping cars.
I was just surprised by Jim's comment over buying a 507 over a base BS more than anything. As I've owned both cars, there is no way I would make such a choice.
I was just surprised by Jim's comment over buying a 507 over a base BS more than anything. As I've owned both cars, there is no way I would make such a choice.
It was just good to see someone like Jim who has bought/owned/modded cars up the wazoo take a sound minded/ unbiased approach to BS vs. 507 vs. P31 pricing and worth even though he owns a BS...
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It's nice to see an unbiased, Un-FAN boy approach to the realistic status of Black Series pricing and sales such as the one by Jrcart. Some people are just a little bothered that a p31 or a 507 may be just as competitive, just as performance stacked as the BS. JRcart is right, the novelty and the uniqueness of the BS may take a hit with the release of the 507. Use common sense. You can only blow smoke up your own rear end for only so long...
What sets apart the BS is the fender package, suspension and a few other tid bits that can be upgraded aftermarket on a 507 or p31...
What sets apart the BS is the fender package, suspension and a few other tid bits that can be upgraded aftermarket on a 507 or p31...
But you have to add in the development time and the fact that as a whole, the suspension package works together well... from the factory. That is the rarity. If you look up the CBS lap times at laguna seca...its not bad at all. Can you get there with a modded 507? Yes of course.
Do I hate on the 507? Hell no. I love it. In fact, I'm considering trading in my RS4 for it.. but, to me, its still not a CBS.
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Thats because you're Mr. Rage2, owner of the biggest Canadian Car forum and cool guy. You may be able to drop $130K on a BS because you just want the status symbol or because you can write her off due to a tax shelter according to your line of work. You, Jrcart, and I may be able to be spontaneous enough or elitist enough to do so, but for many people who approach things with a realistic/economical thought process may take the smarter, less elitist approach
It was just good to see someone like Jim who has bought/owned/modded cars up the wazoo take a sound minded/ unbiased approach to BS vs. 507 vs. P31 pricing and worth even though he owns a BS...
It was just good to see someone like Jim who has bought/owned/modded cars up the wazoo take a sound minded/ unbiased approach to BS vs. 507 vs. P31 pricing and worth even though he owns a BS...
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Thought this topic was about this particular car asking too much money not is p31 or 507 same car as CBS. Obviously it's not and u pay for exclusivity which CBS has. But prices will get affected most people don't know why CBS cost so much more or care for that matter
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Lol....not saying you are a D Bag elitist by any means....sorry if my comments were saying that you were such. I was being sarcastic and metaphorical and that doesn't get translated well in text...
Just saying that the 507 is an alternative to the C63 BS in many ways, especially for those who were unable to get one for whatever reason.
If we look at the numbers (as we all have) and the reality of it, its a bit like AMG offered an "affordable BS" right after the BS (at least IMO).
Prices may change significantly, either by the 507 being released world in significant enough numbers AND by all the new look and technology that AMG will be having out next year. We shall see....
Just saying that the 507 is an alternative to the C63 BS in many ways, especially for those who were unable to get one for whatever reason.
If we look at the numbers (as we all have) and the reality of it, its a bit like AMG offered an "affordable BS" right after the BS (at least IMO).
Prices may change significantly, either by the 507 being released world in significant enough numbers AND by all the new look and technology that AMG will be having out next year. We shall see....
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If it makes you feel any better, what I really meant was the R8 V8...
haha all good. And you're right, the 507 is definately an alternative, but just not in my case for my wants and needs. I'm just assuming that all BS buyers have the same mentality as me, hence we see a few cars getting dumped out because the owners had no clue what the car was about. One of the local ones got dumped at a $20k loss only to be resold at $10k over for a $30k spread because the owner didn't find it faster in a straight line compared to a standard C63, and the new owner knew what he was getting into and paid over MSRP.
Guessing long term pricing is just that, a guess. I'm still shocked to see the CLK63 BS moving in the 60's. It's fun to speculate and debate though right?
Lol....not saying you are a D Bag elitist by any means....sorry if my comments were saying that you were such. I was being sarcastic and metaphorical and that doesn't get translated well in text...
Just saying that the 507 is an alternative to the C63 BS in many ways, especially for those who were unable to get one for whatever reason.
If we look at the numbers (as we all have) and the reality of it, its a bit like AMG offered an "affordable BS" right after the BS (at least IMO).
Prices may change significantly, either by the 507 being released world in significant enough numbers AND by all the new look and technology that AMG will be having out next year. We shall see....
Just saying that the 507 is an alternative to the C63 BS in many ways, especially for those who were unable to get one for whatever reason.
If we look at the numbers (as we all have) and the reality of it, its a bit like AMG offered an "affordable BS" right after the BS (at least IMO).
Prices may change significantly, either by the 507 being released world in significant enough numbers AND by all the new look and technology that AMG will be having out next year. We shall see....
Guessing long term pricing is just that, a guess. I'm still shocked to see the CLK63 BS moving in the 60's. It's fun to speculate and debate though right?