2slowcdi

AND ???? Our fleet does use additives. for the fuel.
It has become apparent who you are and what your goals are please let people exchanges ideas and what we have as personal obervation.
Thank You

Whargoul

Your fleet is an extremely small minority. You could shave thousands from your budget by simply getting rid of useless additives.

That is exactly what is occurring in this thread.
YOU WILL NOT CENSOR MY FACTS. If you're scared that you're wrong, feel free to stop reading this thread. Everyone else with an open mind that want to learn and save money will be spared your ignorance.

2slowcdi

I have yet to see any facts . and at this point I don't care to.

mp0i

Looks like "240D 3.0 T" has been reinvented as "Whargoul" as mentioned above. No matter what name is used, the diatribes are all the same. Welcome back, that is until the moderator bans you again.

Carsy

I agree with 240 D . There is no need for additives here in Australia.

FWhite

If you are still interested read what MB has to say on the subject.

http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/d/d/en/Spec_119_0.pdf

I usually defer in these matters to the manufacturer of the equipment I am servicing. As experienced as I am I admit that they may know more about it than I do.

Bottom line is I have been driving Diesel vehicles for 31 years and have never used additives. Am buying a new S350 with all the money I saved.

2slowcdi

What I would like is a diesel fuel that has a Cetane that MB wants us to use I believe that to be 45 Cetane and here in the U.S. we get 40 Cetane.
Now would that void our warranty?

My last diesel needed 49 cetane and the 200,000 miles I put on it I used Cetane boost every tank and never had ANY problems with the fuel system or any other motor issues.

Did I spend money on the boost additive yes I did ,did it help the preformance injectors?
At 175,000 miles on them I had no ware on them when pop checked.

Will any auto maker ever say why yes you can use additives?
We all know what would happen if they did.

I will use a Cetane Boost in every tank of fuel I use , yes it will cost me money , yes I can pay for it , its just not that much money to worry about.
Will it hurt my car? It would have by now if it was going to.
See you at 250,000 miles if you make it.

Snipe656

It is not 40 all throughout the US, yes that is what most guarantee in a lot of spots though. I see you are from Dallas via your signature and if that is true then you definitely are not buying 40 at the pump. Matter of fact you have been buying 48 for awhile now unless I misunderstand TXLed.

Prior to even TXLed though I know if you purchased Chevron diesel that Chevron tried for a typical rating of 48 but as with most all the companies they would not guarantee that number. Now if you lived in California then due to CARB requirements you will get upwards of 52 from Chevron. Not sure if it would be safe to assume that all the other States that follow CARB would also be in that cetane rating or not. Some random quotes from Chevron:

TXLed link:

http://www.tceq.texas.gov/airquality...eandiesel.html

Which if you search for cetane you will find:

Something else interesting to note prior to TXLed coming online all the Shell stations in Houston said they sold Premium Diesel. They changed signs around when TXLed came online, not sure if just a coincidence or not. They would not guarantee over 40 though even though it was branded that. From Shell:

What is supposed to define Premium Diesel:

Snipe656

I missed that part when replying just a minute ago. Ford used to recommend a cetane booster/additive for the Powerstrokes. They might still do although I have not seen any of the pushes for it in at least a few years. I recall some other auto makers recommending various additives such as Porsche used to recommend back in the 80s(?) to put a bottle of Techron in once a year. I remember the Porsche recommendation in the actual owners manual of the car. The Ford thing to be honest I just saw at all the dealers and it was in Motorcraft branded bottles so assumed it was truly a Ford thing but I could be wrong and it could just been dealers conspiring to make a buck off people.

Snipe656

Oh, another thing to consider is B5 is starting to roll out in a lot of pumps in preparation for Federal fuel mandates for biofuels that become required in upcoming years. Chevron is definitely doing this in the Houston area at least since I routinely see the stickers on the pumps. Some of the stickers are a little hard to notice due to them being clear with a colored text that blends well with the background they were put on. The stickers are not all the same, same message but different font and color usage. I am sure the B5 adds some more to people who want to debate fuel qualities or even the very usage of any biodiesel at all. As I understand it Chevron is starting things early to try and gear up to the requirement once it comes into effect.

FWhite

I am not going to start a pissing contest but we should be clear here. Mercedes does not say that additives will necessarily hurt your engine just that they are a waste of money. My personal diesel experience includes 81 Datsun diesel truck-240000 miles 95 Dodge truck with Cummins 235000 miles 06 E320 CDI 72000 miles 04 Dodge with Cummins 78000 miles. My wife has had 81 Datsun Maxima diesel 90000 miles 01 Dodge Ram with Cummins 79000 miles and a 04 Dodge with Cummins 60000 miles. I may not have made it to 250000 miles but I have some experience with Diesel powered vehicles .

The only money I have spent on injection systems on all these engines is to have the injectors checked on the 95 Cummins at about 190000 miles . They were fine. Not using additives clearly has saved me a pile of money over the years. Will post a picture of my S350 when we pick it up in Sindelfingen.

Carsy

[QUOTE=FWhite; Will post a picture of my S350 when we pick it up in Sindelfingen.[/QUOTE]

Looking forward to it I have not used additives at any time but the savings have not added up to an S

Well done .

JC

Whargoul

Ignorance is not a good excuse, try to think up a better one.

2slowcdi

I will use diesel fuel additives until someone show where there is a problem that was due to the fuel additives.
Price is $22.50 per 10,000 miles.
People that don't use fuel additives don't know if it will help just know that they are ok with out it.
Whargoul you have not shown any facts so I have no idea why you try so hard to make people want to listen to you , I hope you have a good day.

Snipe656

And what about all of the facts I showed you about cetane? TXLed is far more than just added cetane too.

2slowcdi

Yes "you" did and I Thank You for that.
I do how leave the state from time to time and I had though that I would see more smoke.

I have just been a gear head to long to not know that company's will put just enough product in to
keep things going for a set number of miles.
The EPA has rules set for additives and they have to meet them or not sell in the U.S.
Power Service has been around for 55 years and they must have done some things right or they would have been long.

My CDI has had the ECM remapped and I don't to leave anything to chance.

Snipe656

Well do whatever males you feel confident in. The primary thing I have had worries about is cetane which led me to doing a massive amount of research on fuels and additives. A good bit of that research was face to face conversations with engineers who design/test various aspects of those. When it was all said and done I did know of an additive to run that helps things but learned the fuel was close enough to the cars needs that it was a waste of time for me. That was all for my 335d which specifies should be ran on premium diesel and a decently high cetane rating for the US. If I traveled in that car then I probably would run an additive from time to time.

Speaking of smoke, as the B5 has rolled out to all stations I go to, my truck pretty much never smokes, just sometimes a haze.

mtrevelino

Could you tell us what you are using if you are only spending $22.50 per 10k miles? I use Diesel Kleen every other tank full and it costs way more than the stuff you are using.
Thank you,
Mike T.

dgiturbo

I have been using Power Service DFS +Cetane in the CDI for the better part of 105K miles. So far so good, and starts and runs really well in freezing temps.
As a comparison, my last diesel, a 2004 Dodge Ram, had 80000 miles when I sold it, and I never used any additives.
I did however have to plug in the Ram during winter nights, and that is not an issue with the ML.

Snipe656

Would a 2004 Ram have the newer style quick heat up glowplugs? My 2003 PSD does not but my 2009 335d does. I have talked to guys with the 335d cars up in Canada who claim never to still see a glowplug light. My truck is horrible about cold starts, it is like a jug of marbles in below freezing temps. My 300SD is not even that bad and by a long shot.

dgiturbo

The ceramic glow plugs may be the difference. The Ram didn't have them back then. Forgot about that.
The only other thing I can add is that the CDI "seems" to run smoother when I use the additive per fill up, as opposed to when I forget to do so. Probably just mind over matter?
I just figure that 8 oz per 26 gallons won't break me or the Benz.

bfisher

any opinions on the Amsoil diesel additives? I've been a loyal user in my 95 E300D (finally retired it at 344k miles), and been planning to use it in my "new" 08 E320. My 95 always seemed to run smoother and quieter and less smoke with it...

2slowcdi

Cost of Power Service Diesel Kleen that treats 250 gallons one 80 oz's jug , runs from $17 to $20 U.S.D. At one time Power Service had a jug that would treat 300 gallons for the same price.
It takes me a little over 312 gallons for 10,000 miles for me.

You should be in the same range with your 06 unless you have more city driving.

Sounds like Power Service Diesel Kleen treats more fuel per $ than "Diesel Kleen".
Unless you are talking about Power Service Diesel Kleen the gray bottle then you are putting in way to much.

houseofdiesel

I have used it for years and keep using regardless of which diesel technology-it works. I have witnessed what it does to VW tdi injectors between four family cars all running under similar conditions/fuel (one car never had conditioner added), it was readily visible the deposits on the injectors and the engine noise. If you turn your car in every 100k miles, why bother right? It is a product for those of us who care about our engines and keep our vehicles as long as they were designed to last-decades not years. I average 250k miles every decade, and have every diesel still in the family since 1986...some over a million now.
Will it harm bluetecs? I highly doubt it.

Whargoul

Where are you stealing your additives from¿

That is the entire point.

Cummins engines don't have glowplugs!