Mercedes Killing off V-12 SL65 Roadster

MBWorld Editor · 08-09-2011, 07:15 PM

Check out Teddy Field's homepage article about the murder of the V-12 SL65 Roadster. Do you think this spells the end of the V-12 forever?

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Zaddick · 08-09-2011, 07:45 PM

Silly article about old news. The v12 is just the lattest victim of the trend towards lower displacement engines with turbos. Is this the end? Probably not, but it may be a long time before we see one again. We are likely at the end of a golden age of HP. But if we made it back from the absolute dog engines of the late 70s we will see more fun toys again in the future.

Centurion · 08-09-2011, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaddick

Silly article about old news. The v12 is just the lattest victim of the trend towards lower displacement engines with turbos. Is this the end? Probably not, but it may be a long time before we see one again. We are likely at the end of a golden age of HP. But if we made it back from the absolute dog engines of the late 70s we will see more fun toys again in the future.

I agree.
I think we'll see a twin turbo V12 from Mercedes again.
Problem is, I'll probably be driving a front-wheel walker at that time, at the local retirement home. :lol

allenjdmb · 08-09-2011, 11:17 PM

Not politically, economically, or socially popular enough to justify the costs. I think we have witnessed a golden age of performance over the last 10 years or so....will be very unlikely to continue.

blueSL · 08-10-2011, 01:58 AM

I doubt it too. A V12 is a rather inefficient way to provide high output power compared to turbo-charging. Now that turbo-chargers are mainstream - and therefore cheap and reliable - I cannot see what the driver would be to introduce a new V12. Some high-end manufacturers will continue with V12s but Mercedes are saddled with fleet average emissions regulations which the smallest manufacturers are not, or to a much less extent.

Sher Judge · 08-10-2011, 04:12 AM

Very hard and too early too comment? With the initial release of the new V8 BiTurbo engines, enough said. But will the new 5.5L AMG V8 BiTurbo live up to the likes of the older AMG V8 powerplants...

And as I've commented on the V12 engines, forget the SLS, get a Pagani Zonda for a real Mercedes V12 BiTurbo, I wonder if the motor was stroked by Mercedes or AMG, for their use in the Pagani's....?

Ok, lets wait for an all new V12 from AMG, without any nosing from Stuttgart or Zuffenhausen(Weissach).

The new V12 BiTurbo exclusively from AMG, will re-write the Evolution of all V12 engines ever built. Full Stop.

DCMETRO22Z · 08-10-2011, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Sher Judge

Very hard and too early too comment? With the initial release of the new V8 BiTurbo engines, enough said. But will the new 5.5L AMG V8 BiTurbo live up to the likes of the older AMG V8 powerplants...

And as I've commented on the V12 engines, forget the SLS, get a Pagani Zonda for a real Mercedes V12 BiTurbo, I wonder if the motor was stroked by Mercedes or AMG, for their use in the Pagani's....?

Ok, lets wait for an all new V12 from AMG, without any nosing from Stuttgart or Zuffenhausen(Weissach).

The new V12 BiTurbo exclusively from AMG, will re-write the Evolution of all V12 engines ever built. Full Stop.

The Zonda Has a 7.3 Engine , built by AMG for Pagani.

BTW I'm pretty sure Mercedes will release a new V12 engine.

It's a matter of image.

Car manufacturers ared divided in two groups. Those who offer a V12 engine in their Lineup and those who don't.

600 V12 is an icon of luxury.

In My opinion the next V12 will be a 5.5 48 Valves engine producing 570 Horsepower.

Sher Judge · 08-10-2011, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DCMETRO22Z

The Zonda Has a 7.3 Engine , built by AMG for Pagani.

BTW I'm pretty sure Mercedes will release a new V12 engine.

It's a matter of image.

Car manufacturers ared divided in two groups. Those who offer a V12 engine in their Lineup and those who don't.

600 V12 is an icon of luxury.

In My opinion the next V12 will be a 5.5 48 Valves engine producing 570 Horsepower.

AMG-Driver · 08-10-2011, 06:17 AM

The new Pagani Huayra has got the AMG V12 6.0 Liter with 700HP exclusively.

Maybach has the 6.0 AMG-V12 Biturbo and S65 AMG and CL65 AMG.

krullone · 08-10-2011, 10:58 AM

Glad to hear that more folks and manufacturers are going to be pulling more MPG. That'll make me feel less guilty about the wife driving the S600 as her daily driver! I get cars sometimes for uniqueness/obnoxious levels and with all these new regs. coming down I think a V12 Twin Turbo certainly fits that bill. This is my first V12 and I love it, I only wish I could squeeze one into the 300ZX!

abiazis · 08-10-2011, 11:46 AM

Does this make the V-12 SL 65 depreciate faster now or appreciate in the distant future, say 20 years?

Zaddick · 08-10-2011, 11:59 AM

probably slows near term depreciation to a certain degree, not much chance of helping out at all in 10 years. You can buy the r129 sl600 for about the same price as the r129 SL500. And who wants the old BMW 750il V12?

abiazis · 08-10-2011, 12:08 PM

Like your examples, especially R129.....

Only difference that might make an impact might be the limited production of AMG - SL 65s?

Don't know how many 600s were built for R129.....or if the limited production was similar for the 600....

BMW example made me laugh........don't want one of those......

owainaptegwared · 10-13-2011, 06:32 PM

Alway been a fan of forced induction. Thought the first generation 6.3 as replacement for the 5.0 in the 55 series AMG did not make me happy. Because of the performance the high performance and better milage, ive perfered forced over the NA. A 12 IMHO is just a status symbol. Not necessarily a power child but the state of social and political climate may result in the 12 passing into the history books ESP when the v8 kompressors give same or better performance. I'd love to see a bi turbo v12 e85 spec but don't think we will

halm · 10-18-2011, 06:43 PM

I think we will all be driving full electrics at some point and these will be fast as hell with 100% torque from o rpm! When battery technology advances a bit more, watch out! Just bring along your own soundtrack or get used to whine as engine sound.

falconsprint · 10-18-2011, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by halm

I think we will all be driving full electrics at some point and these will be fast as hell with 100% torque from o rpm! When battery technology advances a bit more, watch out! Just bring along your own soundtrack or get used to whine as engine sound.

the future is swappable battery packs. You pull into a service station, a robot pulls out your battery pack from underneath your car and swaps in a new one. You pay for the difference in charge. There's already a prototype of this system in development for taxi-cabs.

08-09-2011, 11:17 PM	#4
allenjdmb MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,832 Drives: E63 Designo, SL65, SL 55 030, ML, bunch of old ones	Doubt it. Not politically, economically, or socially popular enough to justify the costs. I think we have witnessed a golden age of performance over the last 10 years or so....will be very unlikely to continue.

08-10-2011, 01:58 AM	#5
blueSL MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: UK Posts: 2,385 Drives: SL55 AMG	I doubt it too. A V12 is a rather inefficient way to provide high output power compared to turbo-charging. Now that turbo-chargers are mainstream - and therefore cheap and reliable - I cannot see what the driver would be to introduce a new V12. Some high-end manufacturers will continue with V12s but Mercedes are saddled with fleet average emissions regulations which the smallest manufacturers are not, or to a much less extent. __________________ blueSL 2012 Range Rover Evoque Coupe Dynamic - Firenze Red/Ebony 2010 Porsche 997.2 turbo PDK - Aqua Blue/Dark Grey 2005 Subaru Impreza WRX Wagon - Silver/Black 2003 Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG - Brilliant Silver/Berry Red 1995 Ferrari F355 Berlinetta - Rosso Corsa/Crema

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abiazis Super Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Asheville, Atlanta Posts: 504 Drives: SL 65 AMG, Porsche 911 (993), 2011 Prius 5, 2013 Toyota Highlander Limited	Interesting....... Does this make the V-12 SL 65 depreciate faster now or appreciate in the distant future, say 20 years? __________________ 2005 Brilliant Silver/black-charcoal SL 65 AMG 1995 Grand Prix White/cashmere/blue top Porsche 911 Cab - 993 2011 Blizzard White/Sand Beige Prius 5 2013 Toyota Highlander Limited 4WD

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abiazis Super Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Asheville, Atlanta Posts: 504 Drives: SL 65 AMG, Porsche 911 (993), 2011 Prius 5, 2013 Toyota Highlander Limited	good examples.... Like your examples, especially R129..... Only difference that might make an impact might be the limited production of AMG - SL 65s? Don't know how many 600s were built for R129.....or if the limited production was similar for the 600.... BMW example made me laugh........don't want one of those...... __________________ 2005 Brilliant Silver/black-charcoal SL 65 AMG 1995 Grand Prix White/cashmere/blue top Porsche 911 Cab - 993 2011 Blizzard White/Sand Beige Prius 5 2013 Toyota Highlander Limited 4WD

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08-09-2011, 07:45 PM	#2
Zaddick Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 94 Drives: 2005 SL55 AMG	Silly article about old news. The v12 is just the lattest victim of the trend towards lower displacement engines with turbos. Is this the end? Probably not, but it may be a long time before we see one again. We are likely at the end of a golden age of HP. But if we made it back from the absolute dog engines of the late 70s we will see more fun toys again in the future.

08-10-2011, 04:12 AM	#6
Sher Judge Super Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 612 Drives: Sep 2011 CL63TT PP. Dec 2005 E55K Factory LSD. Dec 2009 C63 PP LSD.	Very hard and too early too comment? With the initial release of the new V8 BiTurbo engines, enough said. But will the new 5.5L AMG V8 BiTurbo live up to the likes of the older AMG V8 powerplants... And as I've commented on the V12 engines, forget the SLS, get a Pagani Zonda for a real Mercedes V12 BiTurbo, I wonder if the motor was stroked by Mercedes or AMG, for their use in the Pagani's....? Ok, lets wait for an all new V12 from AMG, without any nosing from Stuttgart or Zuffenhausen(Weissach). The new V12 BiTurbo exclusively from AMG, will re-write the Evolution of all V12 engines ever built. Full Stop.

08-10-2011, 06:17 AM	#9
AMG-Driver Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 134 Drives: SL65 R230	The new Pagani Huayra has got the AMG V12 6.0 Liter with 700HP exclusively. Maybach has the 6.0 AMG-V12 Biturbo and S65 AMG and CL65 AMG.

08-10-2011, 10:58 AM	#10
krullone Newbie Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Logan County, OK Posts: 2 Drives: 1996 300ZX, 2006 S600, 2006 CLS55	Glad to hear that more folks and manufacturers are going to be pulling more MPG. That'll make me feel less guilty about the wife driving the S600 as her daily driver! I get cars sometimes for uniqueness/obnoxious levels and with all these new regs. coming down I think a V12 Twin Turbo certainly fits that bill. This is my first V12 and I love it, I only wish I could squeeze one into the 300ZX!

08-10-2011, 11:59 AM	#12
Zaddick Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 94 Drives: 2005 SL55 AMG	probably slows near term depreciation to a certain degree, not much chance of helping out at all in 10 years. You can buy the r129 sl600 for about the same price as the r129 SL500. And who wants the old BMW 750il V12?

10-13-2011, 06:32 PM	#14
owainaptegwared Newbie Garage is empty, add now Join Date: May 2010 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 8 Drives: 2006 R-350, 2002 Viggen cabrio	Alway been a fan of forced induction. Thought the first generation 6.3 as replacement for the 5.0 in the 55 series AMG did not make me happy. Because of the performance the high performance and better milage, ive perfered forced over the NA. A 12 IMHO is just a status symbol. Not necessarily a power child but the state of social and political climate may result in the 12 passing into the history books ESP when the v8 kompressors give same or better performance. I'd love to see a bi turbo v12 e85 spec but don't think we will

10-18-2011, 06:43 PM	#15
halm Junior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: NorCal Posts: 71 Drives: 2005 SL600 OETuning ECU	I think we will all be driving full electrics at some point and these will be fast as hell with 100% torque from o rpm! When battery technology advances a bit more, watch out! Just bring along your own soundtrack or get used to whine as engine sound.

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