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Old Sep 1, 2023 | 03:25 AM
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Will these wheels fit?

I found a cheap set of wheels from a 2003 e350 and would like to know if they would fit my car. same lug pattern and 16x8 with 36mm offset.

my retired mb friend says they will not fit and I’m wondering why not if people are able to fit 17s why would these not fit?

the wheels I found come with tires 225/55/16 and I currently have 185/65/15
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Those rims will fit (it is tight) but not with those tires. I have a similar 16 inch rims and they require 205/16R16 tires.
You will also need to push out the front of the fender by about 3/8 inch with a spacer kit.
And the LCA's will need to be re-adjusted to make sure the tires are perfectly centered in the fender (spacing between the front tire and the fender).

So it is not automatic and requires quite a bit of tuning.

I would say you should really really like the rims before committing.
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Old Sep 1, 2023 | 06:12 PM
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Thanks for the warning dolucasi, weird that just a +1 rim size would require so much effort to fit...I don’t like the wheels THAT much to do all that right now.

It seems like there is so much space in the wheel well since replacing my struts

is there a rim size that is plug and play? Eager for a new look and might just get my OE gullies painted in anthracite.


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Old Sep 2, 2023 | 08:41 AM
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It is not the 15inch to 16inch that is the problem. It is the 6" to 8" on the width. I have 3 sets for mine, I just sold my original 6" rims. They are too narrow.
I have the 6.5" x 15' ET 48 (W124 originals) easy fit and can use wider 195 or 205 tires and have the original look), the 7.5" x 16" ET 42, '97 E420 rims, these will need a bit push out of the fender, perhaps 1/4".
8" x 16" ET 36 Gully's will require 3/8" push out and centering of the wheel.

The ideal rim size for no mods is 7" x 16" ET 42. That will require no mods.
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Old Sep 4, 2023 | 01:31 PM
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No offense but I really don't see the purpose for the mods. The MB engineers engineer the cars very specifically so such mods that the car wasn't originally designed for can cause a whole new set of issues that imho, aren't worth the trouble. Besides which for resale value, they can hurt the value. Just my 2 cents.
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Old Sep 4, 2023 | 04:28 PM
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I have similar view 190efan, I do want to change the look with some different wheels but not at the expense of altering the body and suspension, mainly since I’ve already spent decent time and money refreshing it to stock. I will just go with a 16x7 upgrade from W203 or similar year.

OEM wheels of different models are my personal taste , i did that with all my old Nissans as a teen….but I guess a replica MB wheel would do I already have the knock off baby hammer’s lol

I’ll never sell my car but it will get some restomod features as it ages
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Old Sep 5, 2023 | 01:56 PM
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I have similar view 190efan, I do want to change the look with some different wheels but not at the expense of altering the body and suspension, mainly since I’ve already spent decent time and money refreshing it to stock. I will just go with a 16x7 upgrade from W203 or similar year.

OEM wheels of different models are my personal taste , i did that with all my old Nissans as a teen….but I guess a replica MB wheel would do I already have the knock off baby hammer’s lol

I’ll never sell my car but it will get some restomod features as it ages
Putting wheels on that the car was never designed for is a potential safety hazard. Beware of restomod. That can also compromise safety..
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Another question dolucasi, I’m getting ready to swap the wheels on my w211 and May reserve it’s current 16x8 36mm for my w201. They are similar to the c280 look I want how would fitment be if I got 195/55/16 or 225/45/16 to accommodate for the fender with thinner tire? I’m also not lowered at all

What do you mean by centering the wheel, can it be done with the stock control arms?
also my current wheels are rubbing over harsh bumps, weak springs or LCAs too far forward? I’ve done most other suspension components

also thoughts on my car spinning tires in rain especially going uphill from a stop?

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Old Sep 14, 2023 | 01:39 PM
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Another question dolucasi, I’m getting ready to swap the wheels on my w211 and May reserve it’s current 16x8 36mm for my w201. They are similar to the c280 look I want how would fitment be if I got 195/55/16 or 225/45/16 to accommodate for the fender with thinner tire? I’m also not lowered at all

What do you mean by centering the wheel, can it be done with the stock control arms?
also my current wheels are rubbing over harsh bumps, weak springs or LCAs too far forward? I’ve done most other suspension components

also thoughts on my car spinning tires in rain especially going uphill from a stop?
The wheel spinning is caused by the wet road. You have less traction on a wet road and especially if there's any water build-up on the road which can cause you to hydroplane. I think all of this wheel/tire swapping/suspension tampering will jeopardize your safety on the road.
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Obviously it is slips on a wet road that is how I described it….I’m trying to improve the car and asking what about the current tires causes it to do that. It does it more than any car I’ve ever owned and not just on hills, am wondering if wider or better tires and wheels will help

I understand what you are saying but I’m not trying to put 20s on the car, a +1 rims size and diameter within a certain percentage of stock is not going to drastically affect the car and quality tires will make up for most of it

im only weighing my options and seeing if what I already have on hand might work

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Old Sep 14, 2023 | 05:21 PM
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As 190Efan mentioned wider tires help dry traction (as in race cars), and trade that off against wet traction. Because in wet weather the per square inch vertical force is reduced significantly. So if you mainly use your car in dry weather and no snow you will do well with wider rims/tires. This is my situation, my car never goes out in wet weather and it never snows where I am located.

Certainly the wider tires/rims look better on the car as well.

I believe 195 tires are too narrow for 8 inch rims, you will have to stretch tires etc. for installation, I do not like that option.
The 215/45 I do not like as well, because you need to lower to car to make them look good and I do not like lowered cars as it makes them not usable/practical.
The bottom of the car starts scraping etc. Also you will still need to push out the fender.

I think the 205/50 is still the best option for the 8" wide 16" diameter rims and keep the standard height.

Your last question was about "centering" the tire. That is just a front end alignment issue and it is handled by using the adjustment bolt in the LCA. It is a minor detail that has to be taken care of in front end alignment. Center the wheel first (on the passenger side) then adjust toe. A good alignment shop can take care off this.

Don't be afraid to push the front of the fender out. It is a simple process of putting some spacer in. One can not even tell it has been done. It makes the front and rear of the front fender on the same plane.

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Thanks dolucasi and 190efan, I was thinking I had to “roll” the fenders which can crack paint and etc. if it’s just a spacer being put it in I will consider it.

as you know I store my car when snow and salt come but I don’t mind driving it in rain, can’t always help it here. I know the car is prone to hydro plaining naturally(manual warns) but since I am not buying rims I can afford to get higher quality tires like michellin to combat that

I still have the cheapest tires I could get from 3yrs ago just to get off the dry rotted originals, I’m at the point where I can upgrade so I ask these questions , ,much appreciated!

also got a mighty vac today and will revisit the ac system pods soon

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Old Sep 15, 2023 | 04:18 AM
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yes, I would not advocate rolling fenders at all. That is too extreme and probably will not even look good on the W201.
The spacer kit needed is just 2 bolts need replaced with longer lengths (probably by 1/4-3/8 inch) and a set of nylon spacers to be inserted between the fender and the chassis.
One bolt is a machine bolt (for the molding), the other bolt is for the fender and is a sheet metal bolt.
A friend gave me his leftover various thickness (1/8, 1/16) nylon washers he had leftover from his fender adjustment and I just used those.
At this point you should also check to see if the existing rubber spacer/bracket is broken after 30+ years. Mine was on one side. Replace it if it is broken. Mercedes does not make them but the aftermarket one available is good quality. It maybe a corteco brand.
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Larger wheels and tires won't help wet road traction so imho, I think you're really going to alot of trouble for no real reward.. It's being aware of the road conditions and driving accordingly. Jack rabbit starts from stoplights don't work on wet pavements. My engineer father also taught me to never cheap out on tires. He believed that good quality tires were cheap life insurance. Not only does my car not see snow or salt, it doesn't see rain either. I worry too much about the wet roads and some other careless driver not paying attention and ruining my all original car in an accident. My daily driver handles the routine driving so I can lower the risk for my W201 by taking it out early on weekends in non rush hour traffic. Just my 2 cents.
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Old Sep 15, 2023 | 01:49 PM
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If you do end up with 16 inch rims. Continental makes a good tire. That is what I have on my 8" EVO-1 rims. People also like the yokohama's.
I'm not confident Michelin has the 205/50R16.
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190efan sometimes it seems you don’t want anyone to do anything to their car.
I do not come from a wealthy background and you know my car was completely dead when I got it not pristine. I had to do a ton of stuff to get to this point and it took years most of which I didn’t even get to drive it so I daily it when I feel like it and store it when I feel like it outside the winter. Won’t be that way forever but after 20yrs in a garage I think the car is happy to see sunlight and have someone that cares about it haha

I got this car during grad school and I didn’t even know if it would work at all so yes I got the cheapest tires possible until I brought the car up to a decent running condition, now that we are here I can get the appropriate quality tire. Not all things are set in stone

small rim w/ bad tire is not going to be better nor safer than a slightly larger rim w/ significantly better quality tires.

I respect your knowledge and effort to keep your car completely original but that is not my plan, in the same amount of time in your life that you have kept you car as it is, I plan to have mine customized and possibly retromodded with modern engine, might take a decade for all I know

i consider my car an old mercedes not a rare Mercedes so things don’t have to be 100% factory for me

-also not sure if when reading messages they come off as antagonistic but that is never my intention even when we disagree I consider you guys my friends lol

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BetterDaze, My 1990 190E 2.6 has been driven in all seasons for 33 years; rain, snow, ice roads, summer heat and it still looks pretty good. Don't be afraid to drive it. The W201 will likely never be a desireable collector car since so many were built and they were the lowest priced cars in the Mercedes line. A 300SL Gullwing they will never be! Almost anywhere you travel in Europe you would have seen fleets of these used as taxis. Modify yours to your hearts delight. In a few years most cars will be electric anyway and these old cars will be museum pieces but I will be gone by then so I plan on using mine as long as I can.
I do agree with 190E fan concerning tire and wheel size. Meredes Benz spent millions of dollars to design the W201 and I am sure that the wheel and tire size were selected for optimum safety and handling on public roads. I buy only the tire size recommended in the owners manual. Perhaps wider tires might help in some situations but there will be a deficit in others. For example wide tires might offer better traction on a dry surface but in snow or rain they will not perform as well as a narrow tire but you already know that. LOL

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Thanks for the words of encouragement Laura, I have 8 wheels sitting in a garage and am just weighing my options before I buy 2 new sets of tires, especially if I have a chance to change looks

wider tires are worse in general in wet but I’m referring to my current tires. Any replacement would be better than these. I don’t think the difference is that drastic at these small of tire sizes.

Maybe at 17 and up you will need significant suspension mods. My car will never see snow so that is a trade off I’m okay with is all I’m saying ,15s are criminally too small but maybe that is my younger guy mentality

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My first Mercedes was a 1965 230S and it had 14" wheels as did all our vehicles except for the work trucks. Even the 300SEL 6.3 had 14" wheels IIRC. Our 1962 Chrysler New Yorker only had 14" as well and you could almost store a 190E in the trunk of that monster.
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My issue in general is not the 15" diameter but the 6" width. It could have been 7" (which the cosworths were) and accommodate 205 tires.
The 6" did not bother me 34 years ago. It does now because it distracts from the look. Even the 6.5 inch rims look better than the 6" ones.
By the way, in 1984 they equipped some W201's with 5.5" rims. I saw one in a Junk Yard that had a spare in the trunk, unused for nearly 40 years.

I also prefer a bit more meat on tires. To be honest my 190E is a more comfortable ride (even with the sportline suspension conversion and 16" rims) than my late model 428i and 535d. I mean comfortable in the sense of the jolt one gets from the potholes in the roads these days.
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Originally Posted by BetterDaze
190efan sometimes it seems you don’t want anyone to do anything to their car.
I do not come from a wealthy background and you know my car was completely dead when I got it not pristine. I had to do a ton of stuff to get to this point and it took years most of which I didn’t even get to drive it so I daily it when I feel like it and store it when I feel like it outside the winter. Won’t be that way forever but after 20yrs in a garage I think the car is happy to see sunlight and have someone that cares about it haha

I got this car during grad school and I didn’t even know if it would work at all so yes I got the cheapest tires possible until I brought the car up to a decent running condition, now that we are here I can get the appropriate quality tire. Not all things are set in stone

small rim w/ bad tire is not going to be better nor safer than a slightly larger rim w/ significantly better quality tires.

I respect your knowledge and effort to keep your car completely original but that is not my plan, in the same amount of time in your life that you have kept you car as it is, I plan to have mine customized and possibly retromodded with modern engine, might take a decade for all I know

i consider my car an old mercedes not a rare Mercedes so things don’t have to be 100% factory for me

-also not sure if when reading messages they come off as antagonistic but that is never my intention even when we disagree I consider you guys my friends lol
My concern is that you're putting your safety at risk by tampering with what the Mercedes-Benz engineers have designed for your car by going with tire and wheel sizes your car was never designed for. Buying really cheap tires is also putting your safety at risk. Having been raised by an engineer with German ancestry, I know how the minds of the MB engineers work and I also know how your tampering with what the MB engineers designed for your car is putting your safety at risk. My engineer father well understood the dangers of such tampering and never did so with any of our cars. Sometimes you need to listen to the experts, especially when you're trying to turn your car into something that it was never intended to be by the engineers who designed and built it. BTW, Bruno Sacco also had an engineering degree in addition to a design degree.
BTW, I'm not rich. I drive a cheap daily driver and I only do the maintenance on my W201 that's needed to keep it on the road in a safe manner. I don't take unnecessary risks with my W201 because I know that I won't ever be able to afford the current new C class version of it and MB will never make anything like the W201 again.
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BetterDaze, My 1990 190E 2.6 has been driven in all seasons for 33 years; rain, snow, ice roads, summer heat and it still looks pretty good. Don't be afraid to drive it. The W201 will likely never be a desireable collector car since so many were built and they were the lowest priced cars in the Mercedes line. A 300SL Gullwing they will never be! Almost anywhere you travel in Europe you would have seen fleets of these used as taxis. Modify yours to your hearts delight. In a few years most cars will be electric anyway and these old cars will be museum pieces but I will be gone by then so I plan on using mine as long as I can.
I do agree with 190E fan concerning tire and wheel size. Meredes Benz spent millions of dollars to design the W201 and I am sure that the wheel and tire size were selected for optimum safety and handling on public roads. I buy only the tire size recommended in the owners manual. Perhaps wider tires might help in some situations but there will be a deficit in others. For example wide tires might offer better traction on a dry surface but in snow or rain they will not perform as well as a narrow tire but you already know that. LOL
I'm looking forward to many years of your continued participation in this forum. There's no doubt that W201s will never be Gullwings. Actually, low mileage, low number of owners W201s are going up in value thanks to the ever increasing value of EVO IIs. . Early last year I watched a 16,000 mile W201-2.6 sell for $23,000 dollars. W201s in that kind of condition will be rare but they do exist. One needs only to look at the now skyrocketing values of the 21 window VW bus. They used to be throw away vehicles and were a dime a dozen. That's no longer the case, Restored ones now sell at auction for more than $100,000. It'll be interesting to see how this develops in the future.
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Thanks again! Im simply asking questions as I haven’t done anything to it yet. But I do see many older more valuable MBs with monoblocks and other amg wheels that definitely didn’t come on the car…couldn’t tell you if suspension modded or not to be fair tho.

This car was mainly for me to learn and restore for my grandfather so part of the initial plan was to get it to stock. But it will slowly morph as knowledg, funds and time become more/less available. This is my plan as opposed to buying any new car at todays prices. I wont ever sell and feel like it needs to catch up on all the miles it missed out on. Hopefully this takes forever but the engine will be kept until it naturally gives out then i will swap something newer in.

That is true though I have been seeing some w201s easily go for more than 10k. Usually about 100k mile 90s models mostly 2.3s. Seems like the later years are preferred or maybe they just have naturally outlived many of the 80s versions?

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I'm looking forward to many years of your continued participation in this forum. There's no doubt that W201s will never be Gullwings. Actually, low mileage, low number of owners W201s are going up in value thanks to the ever increasing value of EVO IIs. . Early last year I watched a 16,000 mile W201-2.6 sell for $23,000 dollars. W201s in that kind of condition will be rare but they do exist. One needs only to look at the now skyrocketing values of the 21 window VW bus. They used to be throw away vehicles and were a dime a dozen. That's no longer the case, Restored ones now sell at auction for more than $100,000. It'll be interesting to see how this develops in the future.
190Efan, I do see that the 190E is getting some collector attention and prices for nice low mileage examples are quite astounding so that is good for those owners who wnat one to keep as an investment. That is of no concern to me. I don't plan on selling my car ever. I wonder where the ICE value will be in the future once electric cars become more common.
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190Efan, I do see that the 190E is getting some collector attention and prices for nice low mileage examples are quite astounding so that is good for those owners who wnat one to keep as an investment. That is of no concern to me. I don't plan on selling my car ever. I wonder where the ICE value will be in the future once electric cars become more common.
I don't plan to sell my car either. I think the really good condition, low mileage ICE cars will likely either become museum pieces or be converted to electric.
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Slideshow: A one-of-one U.S.-spec Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren Roadster became even rarer after a factory-backed transformation at McLaren's headquarters.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-29 11:19:28


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8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine

Slideshow: Before curves took over, Mercedes mastered the art of the straight line, and some of those shapes still look right today.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-25 12:05:49


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Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction

Slideshow: The 190E Evolution II shows how a homologation necessity became a six-figure collector icon.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-22 17:53:47


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Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know

Slideshow: Mercedes is turning one of its core nameplates electric, and the details show just how serious this shift is.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:58:06


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Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know

Slideshow: Faster charging, longer range, and a controversial steer-by-wire system define the latest evolution of Mercedes-Benz EQS.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-15 10:35:34


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5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve

Slideshow: These overlooked Mercedes-Benz models never got the spotlight, but they quietly delivered more than most remember.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-13 19:35:45


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Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping

Slideshow: A well-used 1991 Mercedes-Benz 300D with more than one million miles is now looking for a new owner, and it still appears ready for more.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-10 10:05:15


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