How to buy a GTR?
10-27-2017, 02:34 PM
#76
If someone is serious about buying one, there is a January production slot allocation available in Chicago-land area at a dealer in which I know well. I don’t want to send people to a specific sales person I know well if just tire kicking, but if you want a slot you can order and are serious, send me a PM. Great sales person who will provide a great experience, and be open and honest about anything.
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10-31-2017, 12:10 PM
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Guys, I'm about to say screw it and just get a Lambo or something. I'm tired of being jerked around by MB dealers.
I spoke to someone who can check to see if certain dealers do or do not have allocations they claim they do. And the dealer I have a deposit with who says they have one but won't show me anything in writing doesn't actually have one. They are liars.
And another dealer who someone here referred me to, who has an allocation, said it was available on Friday. But wanted me to do a financing/credit app, saying it's required to verify my identity so I don't "steel the car." That makes zero sense. This is just a deposit. They aren't going to ship me a car without me paying for it first. That's ridiculous. Now the sales manager I finally was able to speak with just told me that no, the car is not available. Someone else already has a deposit with it. They are "in Australia and flying in this week to decide if they want it or not." What? The car doesn't exist yet. It's just an allocation. Why does some dude need to fly in from another country to stop into the dealership to decide if they want the car or not? This is so strange.
Maybe I just don't understand how buying a car works lol. I figure it's like buying anything else. I've got money. You've got a product. Easy.
I spoke to someone who can check to see if certain dealers do or do not have allocations they claim they do. And the dealer I have a deposit with who says they have one but won't show me anything in writing doesn't actually have one. They are liars.
And another dealer who someone here referred me to, who has an allocation, said it was available on Friday. But wanted me to do a financing/credit app, saying it's required to verify my identity so I don't "steel the car." That makes zero sense. This is just a deposit. They aren't going to ship me a car without me paying for it first. That's ridiculous. Now the sales manager I finally was able to speak with just told me that no, the car is not available. Someone else already has a deposit with it. They are "in Australia and flying in this week to decide if they want it or not." What? The car doesn't exist yet. It's just an allocation. Why does some dude need to fly in from another country to stop into the dealership to decide if they want the car or not? This is so strange.
Maybe I just don't understand how buying a car works lol. I figure it's like buying anything else. I've got money. You've got a product. Easy.
10-31-2017, 12:35 PM
#78
Guys, I'm about to say screw it and just get a Lambo or something. I'm tired of being jerked around by MB dealers.
I spoke to someone who can check to see if certain dealers do or do not have allocations they claim they do. And the dealer I have a deposit with who says they have one but won't show me anything in writing doesn't actually have one. They are liars.
And another dealer who someone here referred me to, who has an allocation, said it was available on Friday. But wanted me to do a financing/credit app, saying it's required to verify my identity so I don't "steel the car." That makes zero sense. This is just a deposit. They aren't going to ship me a car without me paying for it first. That's ridiculous. Now the sales manager I finally was able to speak with just told me that no, the car is not available. Someone else already has a deposit with it. They are "in Australia and flying in this week to decide if they want it or not." What? The car doesn't exist yet. It's just an allocation. Why does some dude need to fly in from another country to stop into the dealership to decide if they want the car or not? This is so strange.
Maybe I just don't understand how buying a car works lol. I figure it's like buying anything else. I've got money. You've got a product. Easy.
I spoke to someone who can check to see if certain dealers do or do not have allocations they claim they do. And the dealer I have a deposit with who says they have one but won't show me anything in writing doesn't actually have one. They are liars.
And another dealer who someone here referred me to, who has an allocation, said it was available on Friday. But wanted me to do a financing/credit app, saying it's required to verify my identity so I don't "steel the car." That makes zero sense. This is just a deposit. They aren't going to ship me a car without me paying for it first. That's ridiculous. Now the sales manager I finally was able to speak with just told me that no, the car is not available. Someone else already has a deposit with it. They are "in Australia and flying in this week to decide if they want it or not." What? The car doesn't exist yet. It's just an allocation. Why does some dude need to fly in from another country to stop into the dealership to decide if they want the car or not? This is so strange.
Maybe I just don't understand how buying a car works lol. I figure it's like buying anything else. I've got money. You've got a product. Easy.
Other than that, if you want a hot car, it won't be easy.
10-31-2017, 12:44 PM
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Supply / Demand. It's pretty simple. Trying to find them right now is tough...you're late to the game. You can go buy something from another brand (you mention Lambo--ton of those available so can have tomorrow no worries). Wait and try and get an allocation. Or lastly, there are about a dozen out there for sale.
Other than that, if you want a hot car, it won't be easy.
Other than that, if you want a hot car, it won't be easy.
Last edited by FourT6and2; 10-31-2017 at 12:48 PM.
10-31-2017, 12:48 PM
#80
Before I got into the GT3 cycle with a dealer, it was tough. Same with Ferrari.
You have to start somewhere, but if you're calling CA dealers only, you might want to revise your plans.
No matter the brand, wanting the hottest car will require patience. There is a reason you can get a Lambo tomorrow or a 570. Yes, if you wait 6-9 months it will be easier, but there will also be some new flavor everyone will want.
Dealers (not all) can and will lie. Just like anything in life, move on and find another. No one is going to hold your hand or beg you to buy their car--they don't care. Why? Because you and 500 other people want the same thing.
Good luck.
10-31-2017, 12:55 PM
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LOL. Yes. This is the car business...you better get use to it.
Before I got into the GT3 cycle with a dealer, it was tough. Same with Ferrari.
You have to start somewhere, but if you're calling CA dealers only, you might want to revise your plans.
No matter the brand, wanted the hottest car will require patience. There is a reason you can get a Lambo tomorrow or a 570.
Dealers (not all) can and will lie. Just like anything in life, move on and find another. No one is going to hold your hand or beg you to buy their car--they don't care. Why? Because you and 500 other people want the same thing.
Good luck.
Before I got into the GT3 cycle with a dealer, it was tough. Same with Ferrari.
You have to start somewhere, but if you're calling CA dealers only, you might want to revise your plans.
No matter the brand, wanted the hottest car will require patience. There is a reason you can get a Lambo tomorrow or a 570.
Dealers (not all) can and will lie. Just like anything in life, move on and find another. No one is going to hold your hand or beg you to buy their car--they don't care. Why? Because you and 500 other people want the same thing.
Good luck.
10-31-2017, 01:10 PM
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10-31-2017, 01:16 PM
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10-31-2017, 02:10 PM
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11-06-2017, 03:38 PM
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Ok, found another confirmed allocation with a PO number. The guy who ordered it backed out and it's available. January production.
The hitch? More dealer BS. The dealership will only sell it to me if they put a 12-month lien on it????? WTF. They say it's to prevent someone from turning around and selling the car out of the country or something. Seems weird. They also say they have to be the ones to register the vehicle in my home town, not me? I don't know WTF is is wrong with these people. Does this sound normal to y'all?
If I drop $200K+ in cash on a car why in god's name would I allow the dealer to attach a lien to the title? It's my car. I bought it outright. Not with a loan or financing.
The hitch? More dealer BS. The dealership will only sell it to me if they put a 12-month lien on it????? WTF. They say it's to prevent someone from turning around and selling the car out of the country or something. Seems weird. They also say they have to be the ones to register the vehicle in my home town, not me? I don't know WTF is is wrong with these people. Does this sound normal to y'all?
If I drop $200K+ in cash on a car why in god's name would I allow the dealer to attach a lien to the title? It's my car. I bought it outright. Not with a loan or financing.
Last edited by FourT6and2; 11-06-2017 at 03:44 PM.
11-06-2017, 03:58 PM
#88
Ok, found another confirmed allocation with a PO number. The guy who ordered it backed out and it's available. January production.
The hitch? More dealer BS. The dealership will only sell it to me if they put a 12-month lien on it????? WTF. They say it's to prevent someone from turning around and selling the car out of the country or something. Seems weird. They also say they have to be the ones to register the vehicle in my home town, not me? I don't know WTF is is wrong with these people. Does this sound normal to y'all?
If I drop $200K+ in cash on a car why in god's name would I allow the dealer to attach a lien to the title? It's my car. I bought it outright. Not with a loan or financing.
The hitch? More dealer BS. The dealership will only sell it to me if they put a 12-month lien on it????? WTF. They say it's to prevent someone from turning around and selling the car out of the country or something. Seems weird. They also say they have to be the ones to register the vehicle in my home town, not me? I don't know WTF is is wrong with these people. Does this sound normal to y'all?
If I drop $200K+ in cash on a car why in god's name would I allow the dealer to attach a lien to the title? It's my car. I bought it outright. Not with a loan or financing.
With several AMG cars, I have signed an agreement stating I will not sell the car out of the country. This was a simple 1-page form signed along with all of the other finance papers.
I would just make a simple counter offer. Say no, car titled to me, I sign agreement promising to not sell the car outside of US, I am offering full MSRP. Please call me back if we can do a deal. Thank you. Bye.
11-06-2017, 03:59 PM
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Ok, found another confirmed allocation with a PO number. The guy who ordered it backed out and it's available. January production.
The hitch? More dealer BS. The dealership will only sell it to me if they put a 12-month lien on it????? WTF. They say it's to prevent someone from turning around and selling the car out of the country or something. Seems weird. They also say they have to be the ones to register the vehicle in my home town, not me? I don't know WTF is is wrong with these people. Does this sound normal to y'all?
If I drop $200K+ in cash on a car why in god's name would I allow the dealer to attach a lien to the title? It's my car. I bought it outright. Not with a loan or financing.
The hitch? More dealer BS. The dealership will only sell it to me if they put a 12-month lien on it????? WTF. They say it's to prevent someone from turning around and selling the car out of the country or something. Seems weird. They also say they have to be the ones to register the vehicle in my home town, not me? I don't know WTF is is wrong with these people. Does this sound normal to y'all?
If I drop $200K+ in cash on a car why in god's name would I allow the dealer to attach a lien to the title? It's my car. I bought it outright. Not with a loan or financing.
I assume you haven't bought a new car in a while?
11-06-2017, 04:29 PM
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I have had dealers ask me to take paper on a hot car, but I could pay off in 30 days no penalty. I am sure they mean they have to process the TTL, not you. This is normal for new cars, it is legal reasons, different than a used car where you just take title. You will probably also have to sign a no export for 1 yr, also normal.
I assume you haven't bought a new car in a while?
I assume you haven't bought a new car in a while?
But yes, this will be my second car I've ever owned. The first one I walked in and bought one on the lot and drove off with it a few days later. Didn't have to go through all the BS.
11-06-2017, 04:42 PM
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With several AMG cars, I have signed an agreement stating I will not sell the car out of the country. This was a simple 1-page form signed along with all of the other finance papers.
I would just make a simple counter offer. Say no, car titled to me, I sign agreement promising to not sell the car outside of US, I am offering full MSRP. Please call me back if we can do a deal. Thank you. Bye.
I would just make a simple counter offer. Say no, car titled to me, I sign agreement promising to not sell the car outside of US, I am offering full MSRP. Please call me back if we can do a deal. Thank you. Bye.
11-06-2017, 04:43 PM
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Ok, found another confirmed allocation with a PO number. The guy who ordered it backed out and it's available. January production.
The hitch? More dealer BS. The dealership will only sell it to me if they put a 12-month lien on it????? WTF. They say it's to prevent someone from turning around and selling the car out of the country or something. Seems weird. They also say they have to be the ones to register the vehicle in my home town, not me? I don't know WTF is is wrong with these people. Does this sound normal to y'all?
If I drop $200K+ in cash on a car why in god's name would I allow the dealer to attach a lien to the title? It's my car. I bought it outright. Not with a loan or financing.
The hitch? More dealer BS. The dealership will only sell it to me if they put a 12-month lien on it????? WTF. They say it's to prevent someone from turning around and selling the car out of the country or something. Seems weird. They also say they have to be the ones to register the vehicle in my home town, not me? I don't know WTF is is wrong with these people. Does this sound normal to y'all?
If I drop $200K+ in cash on a car why in god's name would I allow the dealer to attach a lien to the title? It's my car. I bought it outright. Not with a loan or financing.
Of course if they want you to finance or lease, it will be with rate markup. On the magnitude of this size (amount financed) the dealer reserve is huge (10 to 15K) even with a 70/30 bank split which MBFS charges on their leases and retail reserve payouts. But the caveat is that the dealer gets charged back for this reserve if the loan doesnt exceed 90 days so I not sure why they want you to stay for 12 months if financing was involved.
Edit: AutoNation stores just have you sign a "do not ship" clause and they do check your name on the do not ship list; certain banks have these lists.
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11-06-2017, 04:46 PM
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I had to sign an agreement I would not sell my GT out of country. On a Q3 I bought a couple of months ago for my daughter I had to finance it, but paid it off with a check for payment in full immediately after I signed the financing paperwork. I objected to the procedure but was told I had to do it that way. Pissed me off. It dinged my credit a couple of points for a month, too. I won't do that again. Next time I'll wire the money rather than pay by check. (I guess the Audi dealer was afraid the check would bounce and this gave the dealer a hook.)
11-06-2017, 04:47 PM
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Do they want you to finance it or ?? Ive never heard of a lien placed on a paid in full collateral (if you pay cash)
Of course if they want you to finance or lease, it will be with rate markup. On the magnitude of this size (amount financed) the dealer reserve is huge (10 to 15K) even with a 70/30 bank split which MBFS charges on their leases and retail reserve payouts. But the caveat is that the dealer gets charged back for this reserve if the loan doesnt exceed 90 days so I not sure why they want you to stay for 12 months if financing was involved.
Of course if they want you to finance or lease, it will be with rate markup. On the magnitude of this size (amount financed) the dealer reserve is huge (10 to 15K) even with a 70/30 bank split which MBFS charges on their leases and retail reserve payouts. But the caveat is that the dealer gets charged back for this reserve if the loan doesnt exceed 90 days so I not sure why they want you to stay for 12 months if financing was involved.
11-06-2017, 04:49 PM
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I had to sign an agreement I would not sell my GT out of country. On a Q3 I bought a couple of months ago for my daughter I had to finance it, but paid it off with a check for payment in full immediately after I signed the financing paperwork. I objected to the procedure but was told I had to do it that way. Pissed me off. It dinged my credit a couple of points for a month, too. I won't do that again. Next time I'll wire the money rather than pay by check. (I guess the Audi dealer was afraid the check would bounce and this gave the dealer a hook.)
11-06-2017, 05:01 PM
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This has got to be a a 12 month non-export that’s misinterpreted.
11-06-2017, 05:02 PM
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Nah, the guy said they have TWO contracts. One is a non-export. The other is a 12-month lien. Maybe he misunderstood that I would be paying cash.
11-06-2017, 05:12 PM
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A "lien" on your vehicle for 12 months is just bizarre. Would you be willing to offer the dealer a right of first refusal to re-buy it, with a side contract? Would the dealer be satisfied with that?
11-06-2017, 05:15 PM
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No idea. Didn't get that far. I called 'em back and said I'd be fine signing a non-export or whatever. But I will in no way agree to a lien. I understand they are trying to protect the dealership and the brand from people trying to flip the cars or whatever. And they want to make sure I'm a "real person". So I sent them my LinkedIn and personal/business website. That's really all I can do I guess.
