How to buy a GTR?
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It simply cannot be legal to assign a lien to a product that an owner has no outstanding loan on, surely? Plus, dealerships don’t ‘carry the note themselves’, at least not MB dealerships, only financial institutions, so again they have no legal basis to place any form of lien on a car they sell. Period.
It simply must be some form of ‘legal document’ attempting to force the purchaser to 1: not flip the car for profit by selling within the US upon delivery, and 2: forbidding the car from being exported.
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It simply must be some form of ‘legal document’ attempting to force the purchaser to 1: not flip the car for profit by selling within the US upon delivery, and 2: forbidding the car from being exported.
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It simply cannot be legal to assign a lien to a product that an owner has no outstanding loan on, surely? Plus, dealerships don’t ‘carry the note themselves’, at least not MB dealerships, only financial institutions, so again they have no legal basis to place any form of lien on a car they sell. Period.
It simply must be some form of ‘legal document’ attempting to force the purchaser to 1: not flip the car for profit by selling within the US upon delivery, and 2: forbidding the car from being exported.
Bish
It simply must be some form of ‘legal document’ attempting to force the purchaser to 1: not flip the car for profit by selling within the US upon delivery, and 2: forbidding the car from being exported.
Bish
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Ok well this one is a no-go just like the others. When I spoke to dealer they told me this one was available. A few hours later I just got an email saying there are two other people ahead of me on it and the original buyer that flaked out is back in now and wants it. A lot of BS for nothing. Again.
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Well I'm stubborn haha. And I'm picky. So when I find something that checks all my boxes, I have to get it. And the GTR is one such car. So I guess I'm gonna keep trying. But if this is how Mercedes acts before they get your money, I gotta wonder what owning this car is going to be like. I foresee nothing but headaches. A McLaren or Lambo are looking better and better...
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FourT6and2 - check with Keyes European in Van Nuys. You may get jerked around again, but they currently have 3 GTRs in stock.
Best of luck. I admire your perseverance.
Best of luck. I admire your perseverance.
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FourT6and 2:
Money talks and BS Walks. Go into the dealer havng done your homework and with check in hand. Only talk with the GM and I’ll be you leave with the car of your choice.
Floor Plan cost will eat them alive on 3 GTR’s. Next month is Christmas and sales will start to slow down.
Good Hunting!!
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FourT6and 2:
Money talks and BS Walks. Go into the dealer havng done your homework and with check in hand. Only talk with the GM and I’ll be you leave with the car of your choice.
Floor Plan cost will eat them alive on 3 GTR’s. Next month is Christmas and sales will start to slow down.
Good Hunting!!
Jerry
Money talks and BS Walks. Go into the dealer havng done your homework and with check in hand. Only talk with the GM and I’ll be you leave with the car of your choice.
Floor Plan cost will eat them alive on 3 GTR’s. Next month is Christmas and sales will start to slow down.
Good Hunting!!
Jerry
I'll call the above-mentioned dealer and see what they are though. Thanks for the heads up.
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Fletcher Jones have several stores and a couple of GTRs, too, but they are unreasonable. When I first started on my quest for a brilliant blue GT (just the GT - I'm old and 469 HP is sufficient), they told me I could not "build my own." I thanked them and a few weeks later another salesperson emailed me and told me the previous response was in error. It gave me great pleasure to tell her that I had found and bought a GT specc'd out pretty much as I had wanted it in brilliant blue. (In Northern California, too, just in case I need to Lemon it.)
Fletcher Jones wanted MSRP. I got over $7,000 off MSRP.
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I understand completely. If you're going to spend that kind of money you should get exactly what you want.
Fletcher Jones have several stores and a couple of GTRs, too, but they are unreasonable. When I first started on my quest for a brilliant blue GT (just the GT - I'm old and 469 HP is sufficient), they told me I could not "build my own." I thanked them and a few weeks later another salesperson emailed me and told me the previous response was in error. It gave me great pleasure to tell her that I had found and bought a GT specc'd out pretty much as I had wanted it in brilliant blue. (In Northern California, too, just in case I need to Lemon it.)
Fletcher Jones wanted MSRP. I got over $7,000 off MSRP.
Fletcher Jones have several stores and a couple of GTRs, too, but they are unreasonable. When I first started on my quest for a brilliant blue GT (just the GT - I'm old and 469 HP is sufficient), they told me I could not "build my own." I thanked them and a few weeks later another salesperson emailed me and told me the previous response was in error. It gave me great pleasure to tell her that I had found and bought a GT specc'd out pretty much as I had wanted it in brilliant blue. (In Northern California, too, just in case I need to Lemon it.)
Fletcher Jones wanted MSRP. I got over $7,000 off MSRP.
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A spec'd GTR is close to $200,000 MSRP. Add tax + registration fees ($17,500), delivery/shipping if out of state ($2K or more), PPF ($8K) and new wheels (10K), and you're at $225,000. Not a quarter-mill, but you get the idea. Some dealers are asking an extra $25,000 or more. That's a quarter mill right there. Not that I would pay anything over sticker. But still, even for $200,000 I don't want to settle.
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A spec'd GTR is close to $200,000 MSRP. Add tax + registration fees ($17,500), delivery/shipping if out of state ($2K or more), PPF ($8K) and new wheels (10K), and you're at $225,000. Not a quarter-mill, but you get the idea. Some dealers are asking an extra $25,000 or more. That's a quarter mill right there. Not that I would pay anything over sticker. But still, even for $200,000 I don't want to settle.
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I could have a Selenite Grey Magno GTR by tomorrow if I wanted to spend $30,000 over sticker. But I'm not that crazy.
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This thread is like out-of-whack - mostly due to the lack of information at dealer-salesperson-level - and the other direction from non-experience on the buyer side.
YES - all GTR's on order were to be confirmed Customer Sold Units - and YES all GTR's put into production were listed as Customer Sold by their respective dealers in NetStar - with customer "info" put into NetStar on each specific PO - however as GTR's began to be delivered at dealer's - at about 25% of delivered dealer's customer's started to "evaporate".. customer name get's deleted from the PO - ie that GTR has no customer - however most dealers do not change the customer sold status to unsold on the main NetStar model search screen. Let's call this "hidden customer not sold GTR's".
Example there are at least 6 Green Magno's "hidden unsold" on the ground - unsold/unclaimed across the US as of today.
Since on GTR's dealer's at this moment will not trade-exchange - it doesn't pay anyone at any other dealership to do a legitimate Netstar search - with one level deeper dive on each candidate - to identify you what-where might be available on the ground across the US.
Now - let's get back to the "I pay cash" - if that blustering makes you feel good about yourself - sorry Charlie - if you don't have a valid party vouch for you (like your local MB dealer) for you - then finance with 50% down finance about $100K - and pay the note off 2nd month - tmake sure your car note has no prepayment penalty - then you will have your GTR - and at most like $400 in added interest expense - who wouldn't trade-off of $400 in added expense if that gives you the opportunity to HAVE your GTR - versus all that blustering talking with yourself and not having it ?
Anyone who "call's" or "internet inquires" about buying a GTR for cash - from outside the dealer area - or from inside the dealer's local area - frankly that's not a success strategy - that's self-defeating since a dealer is not going to risk that 3X penalty if the dealer knowingly sells a GTR for export.
Yes - you could buy a GTR this week - hard work - and that work needs to be "smart".\
Keep the beat !
"
YES - all GTR's on order were to be confirmed Customer Sold Units - and YES all GTR's put into production were listed as Customer Sold by their respective dealers in NetStar - with customer "info" put into NetStar on each specific PO - however as GTR's began to be delivered at dealer's - at about 25% of delivered dealer's customer's started to "evaporate".. customer name get's deleted from the PO - ie that GTR has no customer - however most dealers do not change the customer sold status to unsold on the main NetStar model search screen. Let's call this "hidden customer not sold GTR's".
Example there are at least 6 Green Magno's "hidden unsold" on the ground - unsold/unclaimed across the US as of today.
Since on GTR's dealer's at this moment will not trade-exchange - it doesn't pay anyone at any other dealership to do a legitimate Netstar search - with one level deeper dive on each candidate - to identify you what-where might be available on the ground across the US.
Now - let's get back to the "I pay cash" - if that blustering makes you feel good about yourself - sorry Charlie - if you don't have a valid party vouch for you (like your local MB dealer) for you - then finance with 50% down finance about $100K - and pay the note off 2nd month - tmake sure your car note has no prepayment penalty - then you will have your GTR - and at most like $400 in added interest expense - who wouldn't trade-off of $400 in added expense if that gives you the opportunity to HAVE your GTR - versus all that blustering talking with yourself and not having it ?
Anyone who "call's" or "internet inquires" about buying a GTR for cash - from outside the dealer area - or from inside the dealer's local area - frankly that's not a success strategy - that's self-defeating since a dealer is not going to risk that 3X penalty if the dealer knowingly sells a GTR for export.
Yes - you could buy a GTR this week - hard work - and that work needs to be "smart".\
Keep the beat !
"
#121
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This thread is like out-of-whack - mostly due to the lack of information at dealer-salesperson-level - and the other direction from non-experience on the buyer side.
YES - all GTR's on order were to be confirmed Customer Sold Units - and YES all GTR's put into production were listed as Customer Sold by their respective dealers in NetStar - with customer "info" put into NetStar on each specific PO - however as GTR's began to be delivered at dealer's - at about 25% of delivered dealer's customer's started to "evaporate".. customer name get's deleted from the PO - ie that GTR has no customer - however most dealers do not change the customer sold status to unsold on the main NetStar model search screen. Let's call this "hidden customer not sold GTR's".
Example there are at least 6 Green Magno's "hidden unsold" on the ground - unsold/unclaimed across the US as of today.
Since on GTR's dealer's at this moment will not trade-exchange - it doesn't pay anyone at any other dealership to do a legitimate Netstar search - with one level deeper dive on each candidate - to identify you what-where might be available on the ground across the US.
Now - let's get back to the "I pay cash" - if that blustering makes you feel good about yourself - sorry Charlie - if you don't have a valid party vouch for you (like your local MB dealer) for you - then finance with 50% down finance about $100K - and pay the note off 2nd month - tmake sure your car note has no prepayment penalty - then you will have your GTR - and at most like $400 in added interest expense - who wouldn't trade-off of $400 in added expense if that gives you the opportunity to HAVE your GTR - versus all that blustering talking with yourself and not having it ?
Anyone who "call's" or "internet inquires" about buying a GTR for cash - from outside the dealer area - or from inside the dealer's local area - frankly that's not a success strategy - that's self-defeating since a dealer is not going to risk that 3X penalty if the dealer knowingly sells a GTR for export.
Yes - you could buy a GTR this week - hard work - and that work needs to be "smart".\
Keep the beat !
"
YES - all GTR's on order were to be confirmed Customer Sold Units - and YES all GTR's put into production were listed as Customer Sold by their respective dealers in NetStar - with customer "info" put into NetStar on each specific PO - however as GTR's began to be delivered at dealer's - at about 25% of delivered dealer's customer's started to "evaporate".. customer name get's deleted from the PO - ie that GTR has no customer - however most dealers do not change the customer sold status to unsold on the main NetStar model search screen. Let's call this "hidden customer not sold GTR's".
Example there are at least 6 Green Magno's "hidden unsold" on the ground - unsold/unclaimed across the US as of today.
Since on GTR's dealer's at this moment will not trade-exchange - it doesn't pay anyone at any other dealership to do a legitimate Netstar search - with one level deeper dive on each candidate - to identify you what-where might be available on the ground across the US.
Now - let's get back to the "I pay cash" - if that blustering makes you feel good about yourself - sorry Charlie - if you don't have a valid party vouch for you (like your local MB dealer) for you - then finance with 50% down finance about $100K - and pay the note off 2nd month - tmake sure your car note has no prepayment penalty - then you will have your GTR - and at most like $400 in added interest expense - who wouldn't trade-off of $400 in added expense if that gives you the opportunity to HAVE your GTR - versus all that blustering talking with yourself and not having it ?
Anyone who "call's" or "internet inquires" about buying a GTR for cash - from outside the dealer area - or from inside the dealer's local area - frankly that's not a success strategy - that's self-defeating since a dealer is not going to risk that 3X penalty if the dealer knowingly sells a GTR for export.
Yes - you could buy a GTR this week - hard work - and that work needs to be "smart".\
Keep the beat !
"
I've found a few dealers willing to sell for sticker price and "export" the car to me here in California. The problem is they don't have confirmed allocations. I'm their "list." Maybe come 2018 things will change and MB will issue more allocations.
Last edited by FourT6and2; 11-08-2017 at 10:21 AM.
#122
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I'm not trying to buy a GTR that's already on the ground. I'm looking for build allocations. They do exist. I've found a few thanks to PMs from people here. But they haven't panned out. On two of them, they've gone to friends or family of the dealership's owner. I was about to put a deposit down on one and the GM stepped in and stopped it, saying their friend has dibs. There are 5 or 6 GTR's on the ground here in CA alone. 4 in SoCal and two up here in the bay area. The problem is 1) they aren't spec'd how I'd like it. I don't want a green car. Sorry, "Charlie." And 2) dealers are asking $20,000, $25,000, $30,000 over sticker. Hell no. This car is not a numbered or limited edition. There is a Selenite Magno GTR at Pleasanton MB. I sat in it. I turned it on. I revved it a bit. It's a real car. But they want $25K over sticker. Not willing to do that. And I'd rather configure the thing how I want it instead of how some other guy did with green seat belts and yellow stitching and no carbon fiber at all anywhere.
I've found a few dealers willing to sell for sticker price and "export" the car to me here in California. The problem is they don't have confirmed allocations. I'm their "list." Maybe come 2018 things will change and MB will issue more allocations.
I've found a few dealers willing to sell for sticker price and "export" the car to me here in California. The problem is they don't have confirmed allocations. I'm their "list." Maybe come 2018 things will change and MB will issue more allocations.
Last edited by SANDOVAL; 11-08-2017 at 10:48 AM.
#123
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Are you saying all of these cars are offered with Market adjustments?
That just seems like a lot of units available for purchase to have a market adjustment attached to them.
Also exporting is when you ship to another country. Don't confuse the term.
I would advise you to purchase something in California though the Lemon laws are very strong in California for cars purchased in state.
Last edited by FourT6and2; 11-08-2017 at 11:02 AM.
#124
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If someone sits in the bleachers - and just watches the game - that's called a "Spectator" - it's the guys out in the field that work and earn the privilege to be called "Player's".
With the relatively limited # of choices and options on the GTR - please post your build-spec's for your GTR - other members very likely will have constructive comments and suggestions for you.
So - let me make sure I have a clear understanding ::
1. You are looking for a out-of-area Mercedes dealership to lock down a GTR production slot for you - so you can build your perfect GTR - correct ?
2. You are financially capable to put down a reasonable $25K GTR deposit to secure that production slot for you - is that correct ?
3. The dealer needs to agree you can pay the balance on delivery in cash as well - is that correct ?
4. You understand all GTR PO's are locked down by the factory (no changes) until end-January - correct ?
Let's get it all on the table - the best thing that could happen is someone here hooks you up to get your GTR !
With the relatively limited # of choices and options on the GTR - please post your build-spec's for your GTR - other members very likely will have constructive comments and suggestions for you.
So - let me make sure I have a clear understanding ::
1. You are looking for a out-of-area Mercedes dealership to lock down a GTR production slot for you - so you can build your perfect GTR - correct ?
2. You are financially capable to put down a reasonable $25K GTR deposit to secure that production slot for you - is that correct ?
3. The dealer needs to agree you can pay the balance on delivery in cash as well - is that correct ?
4. You understand all GTR PO's are locked down by the factory (no changes) until end-January - correct ?
Let's get it all on the table - the best thing that could happen is someone here hooks you up to get your GTR !
#125
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If someone sits in the bleachers - and just watches the game - that's called a "Spectator" - it's the guys out in the field that work and earn the privilege to be called "Player's".
With the relatively limited # of choices and options on the GTR - please post your build-spec's for your GTR - other members very likely will have constructive comments and suggestions for you.
So - let me make sure I have a clear understanding ::
1. You are looking for a out-of-area Mercedes dealership to lock down a GTR production slot for you - so you can build your perfect GTR - correct ?
2. You are financially capable to put down a reasonable $25K GTR deposit to secure that production slot for you - is that correct ?
3. The dealer needs to agree you can pay the balance on delivery in cash as well - is that correct ?
4. You understand all GTR PO's are locked down by the factory (no changes) until end-January - correct ?
Let's get it all on the table - the best thing that could happen is someone here hooks you up to get your GTR !
With the relatively limited # of choices and options on the GTR - please post your build-spec's for your GTR - other members very likely will have constructive comments and suggestions for you.
So - let me make sure I have a clear understanding ::
1. You are looking for a out-of-area Mercedes dealership to lock down a GTR production slot for you - so you can build your perfect GTR - correct ?
2. You are financially capable to put down a reasonable $25K GTR deposit to secure that production slot for you - is that correct ?
3. The dealer needs to agree you can pay the balance on delivery in cash as well - is that correct ?
4. You understand all GTR PO's are locked down by the factory (no changes) until end-January - correct ?
Let's get it all on the table - the best thing that could happen is someone here hooks you up to get your GTR !
2. Yes. But $25K is not reasonable. If the allocation exists, with a PO # that I can confirm, then maybe. Most dealers ask for $1,000 - $5,000 for a deposit.
3. As apposed to what? Forcing me to use their in-house financing? Then yeah, I got the cash . Might consider financing if there's no penalty for paying it off quickly.
4. Yes. The build slots I've found are for January, with delivery in February-ish (but obviously I couldn't secure them). I'm not picky on timing as long as it's not like a year from now.
Last edited by FourT6and2; 11-08-2017 at 11:34 PM.