When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network.
Dunno. There is so much more left on the table with the GTS and GTR engines that I might think that your money is better spent tuning these cars to up the HP instead of buying a whole new next car. Of course, when you are out of warranty. These cars drive so well that it is almost just a HP game after that.
Dunno. There is so much more left on the table with the GTS and GTR engines that I might think that your money is better spent tuning these cars to up the HP instead of buying a whole new next car. Of course, when you are out of warranty. These cars drive so well that it is almost just a HP game after that.
GTR has all sorts of unresolved issues that more BHP will just exacerbate. It really needs to go on a diet.
The brakes are poor, its too heavy and the electronics can be intrusive. A massive set of brake ducts and a 100kg diet would do more for the car than any amount of engine work ever could.
2020 GTA; 2022 Audi e-tron GT, 2022 Ford F-150; 1926 Rolls-Royce Springfield 40/50 Playboy roadster
Originally Posted by WhiteBlack
The brakes are poor, its too heavy and the electronics can be intrusive. A massive set of brake ducts and a 100kg diet would do more for the car than any amount of engine work ever could.
AMG has never been known to build truly light sports cars. For the most part, throughout its history, AMG has just plunked more powerful engines and made changes to the suspensions of pretty much everything Mercedes has built, except the Smart Car and Metris. Even the R class minivan had an AMG derivative: http://www.thedrive.com/news/22375/u...faces-for-sale
The GT class was supposed to be entirely AMG-designed, but the old DNA lingers on.
I've owned two BMW Ms and they were thoroughly redesigned vehicles, pretty much just using the body shell and interior of their namesakes.
As someone who tracks the car my impressions are these:
The Ceramic brakes are excellent for many tracks and owners. You need to change to a very high quality DOT 4 brake fluid such as Castrol SRF; Endless 650, etc. Burnishing the CCMs will enhance their performance and make them easier to modulate at low speeds. OEM pads are decent, but for more 'bite', buy a set of Pagid RSC1s;
The car weighs around 3600 lbs. Given the level of luxury and safety items in the car, plus it's incredible structural rigidity, that simply is not an excessive weight in 2018. Would I like it to weigh 3250 lbs or less? Sure, who wouldn't, and yes it would enhance 'performance' in many ways. But the car in no way feels 'heavy' when driving it quickly;
As for the 'electronics'; you can turn them completely off if you want to;
Lastly, having another 50-100 hp wouldn't hurt, but the car no doubt is under-rated at 577hp.
As someone who tracks the car my impressions are these:
The Ceramic brakes are excellent for many tracks and owners. You need to change to a very high quality DOT 4 brake fluid such as Castrol SRF; Endless 650, etc. Burnishing the CCMs will enhance their performance and make them easier to modulate at low speeds. OEM pads are decent, but for more 'bite', buy a set of Pagid RSC1s;
The car weighs around 3600 lbs. Given the level of luxury and safety items in the car, plus it's incredible structural rigidity, that simply is not an excessive weight in 2018. Would I like it to weigh 3250 lbs or less? Sure, who wouldn't, and yes it would enhance 'performance' in many ways. But the car in no way feels 'heavy' when driving it quickly;
As for the 'electronics'; you can turn them completely off if you want to;
Lastly, having another 50-100 hp wouldn't hurt, but the car no doubt is under-rated at 577hp.
Bish
I have to agree... with the caveat that I'm not a real ceramic brakes fan.
also this day in age it is not rocket science to drop weight it is just a matter of how much titanium and carbon fiber you want to introduce into the mix and of course what would the cost be after you add all that... $250K - $350K? they may price themselves out of the market. The motor is solid and could use a realistic bump north of 650 especially if you are going to double its selling price.
I have to agree... with the caveat that I'm not a real ceramic brakes fan.
also this day in age it is not rocket science to drop weight it is just a matter of how much titanium and carbon fiber you want to introduce into the mix and of course what would the cost be after you add all that... $250K - $350K? they may price themselves out of the market. The motor is solid and could use a realistic bump north of 650 especially if you are going to double its selling price.
or just you know, strip out some unnecessary ****?
Clubsport is only a 30k increase in price although it’s not losing a 100kilos!
I’m really looking forward to getting my car back out on the track after my brake upgrade and engine upgrades from Renntech. Hartmut has been fine tunning the car this week and it will be at home when I return next week . Will be at PBR on the 8th Aug
I can see losing a little weight for a black series, but by todays standard the GTR isnt that heavy.. 3594 lbs inst bad considering todays sport compact cars like a Focus Rs is only slightly lighter.. many things we need with cars these days for safety, tech etc..
The carbon ceramics help with fade and unsprung weight
I do forsee the weight wars coming if the horsepower wars continue.. also if anyone saw Mclarens recent press conferences.
I can see losing a little weight for a black series, but by todays standard the GTR isnt that heavy.. 3594 lbs inst bad considering todays sport compact cars like a Focus Rs is only slightly lighter.. many things we need with cars these days for safety, tech etc..
The carbon ceramics help with fade and unsprung weight
I do forsee the weight wars coming if the horsepower wars continue.. also if anyone saw Mclarens recent press conferences.
its 500lbs heavier (ish) than it’s competitors. It’s definitely over weight!
You forgot to point out that the front fenders on the GTR are currently carbon fiber as opposed to aluminum on the GT and GTS models.
If a weight war starts, I am thinking we’ll see the carbon fiber hood and maybe the doors show up that are already used on the race models. It won’t be long before the whole car is carbon fiber.
I’m really looking forward to getting my car back out on the track after my brake upgrade and engine upgrades from Renntech. Hartmut has been fine tunning the car this week and it will be at home when I return next week . Will be at PBR on the 8th Aug
I’m really looking forward to getting my car back out on the track after my brake upgrade and engine upgrades from Renntech. Hartmut has been fine tunning the car this week and it will be at home when I return next week . Will be at PBR on the 8th Aug
What exactly does the renntech brake package entail? Is it just different rotors and pads in the front?
You forgot to point out that the front fenders on the GTR are currently carbon fiber as opposed to aluminum on the GT and GTS models.
If a weight war starts, I am thinking we’ll see the carbon fiber hood and maybe the doors show up that are already used on the race models. It won’t be long before the whole car is carbon fiber.
Best regards
Very true..
This is that mclaren article I read btw.. weight war to replace HP war LINK
I love the carbon tubs in cars like Mclaren and the Alfa 4C..would liek to see more of it
The GT4 race car is 3060lbs, so I’m finding it hard to get more than 90lbs savings off current GTR. Wheels, hood, some suspension and driveline parts and seats seem to be most likely focused on.
The GT4 race car is 3060lbs, so I’m finding it hard to get more than 90lbs savings off current GTR. Wheels, hood, some suspension and driveline parts and seats seem to be most likely focused on.
It is useless trying to get a street vehicle to perform like a true track car. I much prefer my GT R at 3600 lbs but with a full complement of safety and entertainment options that I enjoy during the 90% of the time it’s on the street, and I will gladly accept the fact that the car would handle better and use the consumables in a more efficient fashion if it was say 2800-3000 lbs. But it isn’t, so I’m not going to try and strip 100 lbs out of it which will have a pretty negliable effect on anything.
As another poster mentioned, when high line vehicles are made from carbon fibre like McClarens then the benefits are many. Until that time, anyone really looking for a lightweight track car should consider various Loti; Miatas, etc. or a real race car, although there are compromises with all of these again; just different ones.
If McLaren can be at 2,800 pounds with the 600LT, I really hope the BS can be shave at least 100 pounds.
McLaren Ferrari & Lamborghini all quote dry weights which is highly unrealistic and deceiving. Add roughly 400lbs to those numbers for a more realistic number
germans are more honest, they quote real laden weight minus driver
07-23-2018, 09:56 AM
