paulomoto11

Hello everyboby.

I'm new in your forum.

I'm French, I live in the south of France.

I have 21, and I'm a Watchmaker.

I'm very sorry if my english is not perfect.

I Love a lot the Mercedes W124.

I have a 250 Turbo of 1992.

One photo:




I love too the Becker audiocar.

I bought in Germany, 5 months ago, a Becker GrandPrix 2000, the BE 1319.

One photo in my car:




I love this Becker. It is very beautiful!

Today, I want to connect at my Becker a CD Changer.

Bercker CD Changer (BE0980) or a Mercedes MX3192 are very hard to found, even to Germany.

When there is one for sell, on ebay, the price ut arround 250 / 300 euros.



So I read, that we can connect Alpine CD Changer on becker vintage.

I read, perhaps the Alpine CHM-S630 or the Alpine CHM-S634, or the Alpine 5952Z. I read too, on Russian Web, that the Blaukpunt AO8 or A09 would be good.

Do you know what sort of CD changer I can connect to my Becker?

Do I use a special adaptator or connector?


In French forum, I not found the answer of my question.

So, I allows itself of to put my question here.


Thank you very much

Paul

Diesel Benz

Welcome to the forum. I'm not really familiar with the W124 audio options (although I have owned one sedan and a wagon, a long time ago) but I thought the head unit (radio) from 1992 would not have any CD changer support.

Perhaps other forum members can correct me if I'm wrong.

Can you point to the source claiming that some Becker CDC could work with your radio? Becker has been used with later MB models, perhaps the info was for these cars.

I'm afraid your best option would be to buy an MP3 player and use it either through an FM transmitter or through a wired antenna interface unit.

paulomoto11

Hello Diesel Benz.

Thank you for your answer.


The Becker GrandPrix 2000 BE1319, like the BE 1320, the BE1311 or the BE1339, are in good condition for connect it a CD changer.

Look this photo:



It is a Becker BE1319 and an CD changer Mercedes MX3192.

The Becker BE 0980 was the CD changer sold by becker for this audiocars Becker.

The Mercedes MX3192, would be similar that Alpine CD changer.

But I not sure.


I sent a email at Becker France for ask him.

I don't have a answer.

I will try to telephone him.


It is a good idea. Why not?

But I woud wish, if it possible, not use a FM Transmitter.

Thank you

Paul

Diesel Benz

Hi, I don't have wiring diagrams for these radios but I did find a CDC retrofit guide for the W124 model. You must be right then that at least a CDC exists.

The guide mentions Becker Grand Prix and Mexico radio models. The guide really does not cover wiring but it looks like there was only one round DIN (?) connector, wiring should be straightforward then.

Good luck for your search for the device.

paulomoto11

Hello,

Thank you again for your answer.

It's exactly, it is a round DIN connector for connecting a CD changer at this becker car radio.

Like this:




I read on internet, that it's possible to connect an Alpine CD changer at my becker. (on the alpine CD Changer it is a DIN connector)

But, I believe understand that for use an Alpine CD Changer with my becker, it must use a special adaptator or a special cable.

Do you have an idea?

Thank you

Paul

Diesel Benz

OK, reading the CDC retrofit guide again, it specifically mentions this adapter needed for the the two radios (Becker Grand Prix and Mexico). The guide isn't really specific about CDC part number but it looks like the adapter was needed for the 6 CD changer and not for the 10 CD changer.

The adapter is perhaps a 2 cm deep box, as high as the CDC and almost as wide as the CDC, placed at the rear of the changer.

I also looked at EPC, it does show a changer and a cable but no adapter. The cable part number was A1248203704 and the changer at EPC was B67822538 (Becker name is mentioned for this). But this cable has multiple connectors at each end, perhaps different parts after all from those you are looking for. Three other changer options seem to appear at EPC. This appears pretty confusing to me.

paulomoto11

Thank you for your answer.

I found this adaptator for use a Becker (grandprix 2000 or Mexico) with a CD Changer Alpine CHM-S630 or CHM-S634

it's here


But I don't understand very what is it.

Do you understand?

Thank you very much

Diesel Benz

OK, I understand you've found a source for non-OEM CD changers which should fit to your car with some cable adapters. Sounds like a good approach.

What I understand from the referred web page is that you need the first cable and an MB translator, part number Q6 82 0135. Only if your radio would be a two piece Becker radio (I don't know which model this would refer to, if I understood it right in the first place), you would need the other cable too.

I would suggest contacting the seller, they appear to have a tech support email address. They must be aware of the details and be able to make sure that you don't buy useless stuff. If this MB part is needed, you should ask if MB is able to deliver it. The Q-part is unlikely available, I wonder if they can figure out the normal part number(s).

paulomoto11

Hello,

I think I understand.

It is difficult to explain you, but I will try.

I need to use the adaptator MBZ/E-ALP.

I found a largest photo of this adaptator:



it is a 2 DIN connector, with a electric connector (with a red wire and brown wire).

The electric connector, is like the connector electric who is at the back of a Cd Changer Mercedes MX3192



There isn't this connecteur in the back of Alpine CD Changeur.

So, on a Becker CD Changer, with a Becker radio car, the electrical current (12V) for the changer, arrives on a other cable that the DIN (it isn't the Becker who give the current for the changer).

And on a Alpine CD Charger, it is the DIN cable who give the current. There isn't an other cable.

If we want use a Becker radio car, with a CD Charger Alpine, it need to use a adaptateur for give the current (for the CD changer) in the DIN cable.

So, the MBZ/E-ALP adapator, must be connect betwenn Becker and the Alpine, on the DIN Cable, with 12V at the red and brown wires.

I don't know if you're understand me?

thank you for helping me

Paul

Diesel Benz

Your explanation makes sense. Looks like you've done the homework too, you probably already know more than the forum on this topic.

Reading again the PIE part, I see that the MB "Q-part" is only needed along with the second PIE cable which again is only needed with some specific HU.

By the way, do you already have the cable from the headunit to the trunk prewired like the PIE web page assumes? This could be a US thing. On the other hand, if the cable does not exist, I guess it would be the one you showed on a picture earlier, nothing more than an extension cable.

I interpret that you are ready to go with the installation, or ordering parts first.

paulomoto11

Hello Diesel Benz.

Thank you very much for your answer.

You are very nice of helping me.



I read a lot internet web about this.

I forgot to say you, that it exist two models of Becker radio car for my véhicule.

One model, with two parts, the tuner and the amplifier. For exemple, it is the BE1420 Mexico Becker.

The second model, is a normal radio car, with one part, and never other thing. It is le BE1319 or 1320 or 1311 Grand Prix becker.

In my car, I have a BE1319 Becker.

You are right, there is two models adaptator Mercedes to Alpine.

The first is the : MBZ/E ALP, (it is the same model, that the photo in my last message) is for the becker with one part (like my BE1319)



The second modele, is the : MBZ-HAR. This cable, is for the Becker audiocar, who are in two parts, like the BE1420.

The cable Q6 82 0135, it is a MB cable.

I didn't see, but I don't have this cable in my Mercedes.

I think, that is just a current cable, for to give the 12V to the changer.

I connect the Q6 82 0135 to the MBZ/E ALP.

I will telephone at my dealer MB, for to ask him.

Do you understand me?

Perhaps you understand better, I found this this

It is the construtor of the cable (PIE).

The price of the cable is 28$.

It is less expensive that the last shop I referred to you.

I think, that I will buy this cable, for testing.

But, I don't found this cable in Europe, just in USA.

I am obliged to buy at this shop.

I'm afraid to pay with my CB, but I don't the choice.

Do you know a Shop in Europe, who sell this adaptator?

Thank you.

Paul

Diesel Benz

Hi, it looks like the cable would be difficult to find from Europe. At least a quick google did not give any European hits to me.

The shop with the lower price looked reliable to me. Should be safe to buy with credit card.

The part number Q6 82 0135 still puzzles me, some comments I found suggest it would be an interface box, not a cable. I also found a discussion from 2001 or so where they concluded that the part was not available any more. But you can figure out this from your MB dealer.

I hope you can get the cable from the radio to the trunk, whether it is the mentioned part number or not, and then the PIE cable should be enough to connect to the Alpine changer.

BENZITCH

I think it is an interpreter.
It reads the Becker signal and translates to the Alpine format.
This allows the head unit in the be143* series to understand the cd players format, and translates it to the head unit.
Bruce