Kevin82

No it's not the question, but it's relevant since OP is interested in more details about the BMS tune. My intent was to help OP make an informed decision. I'm not denying that the c350 is the more sporty stock engine--I don't think anyone is. Yes turbo lag sucks on c250 but an inexpensive $279 BMS chip, $129 BMS intake, and driving in sport mode takes care of almost all of the lag versus paying $5000 for the c350 v6.

The $5000 saved from getting the c250 with tune could go into loading it with options instead (ie: lighting package, agility package, blind spot assist, etc). I had cash for a c350 but I decided to get a loaded c250 instead of a base c350 for the same price.

On the question of what is quicker: it's the c350, no doubt. c350 0-60 is ~5.9 and the c250 is ~7.1 according to MB. c250 with BMS tune and intake is ~6.3 unofficially according to jctevere's youtube video. Who knows what stage 2 will bring (it may even end up being faster than a c350) and will cost less than $5000.
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If you want to get into handling, many reviewers say the c250 handles better than the c350 because of the lighter front end due to the smaller engine.

The suspension and brake upgrade for both are now optional for both in 2013 (correct me if I'm wrong). My 2012 c250 came with vented brakes and lowered sport tuned suspension in USA.

You say you drove a c250 with "with ugly cheap 17 inch non AMG rims, no spoiler, no front vented brakes, no AMG package elements, regular suspesion". Those are options that both share... at least in USA. Almost every option you can get on the c350 you can get on the c250.

So OP, if you are okay with mod upgrades, the c250 may be a good choice especially since more are on the way.

DameMD

One more thinig to note, we don't know if JC has his tune turned up in this video or stock tune. BMS sends out the tune at 60%. I have my tune set to about 85%-90% and definitely hit 60mph quicker than that video. Also, we don't know if JC's quad exhaust mod helps the tune or degrades it (back pressure).

I can't wait for the BMS stage 2, hopefully they cracked the wastegate issue @ WOT allowing more boost. BMS stage 1 + Intake c250 = peak 224HP & 275TQ from stock 201HP & 229TQ. That's a big difference and definitely not a Japanese car. c350 coupe has what 300HP & 273TQ.

Breitling65

I would agree on closing this thread, it is getting ridiculous ^^^
Based on this logic it might be better than C63 as well???

MBBonus

If optioned the same, the 250 would handle slighlty better due to less weight up front. Its not rocket science. Lets not forget, the difference between a 250 and 350 is the motor.

Also, even though the C63 has a heavier front end, the suspension components are completely different and AMG derived, so no, the 250 wont handle better, genius.

Breitling65

Who is the people who said this bull? I would say NO and I drove both cars. C250 is the car for my wife, who would never drive fast and who might care about rear view camera more than for sport tuned suspension on my C350 Stop these, you will never win with this car anyhow better than C350. Not even close to be near as for me! BTW good summer tires effecting handling much better than little less weight.

MaDd

both cars are slow, the c350 is less slow. neither is a race car, nor is it god's gift to the corners. the c350 is a better car if you can afford the extra change. am i missing anything?

Breitling65

Agree in general, but there is no perfection in this area, always some car is faster and better, besides maybe Bugatti Veyron

MaDd

its about the compromises you're willing to make. i compromised a pinch of performance for a great solid luxurious ride. im happy with my decision (for now)

Breitling65

I own G37 coupe which visible in your profile and would be good to know your opinion about

MaDd

I no longer have the G37s coupe, but I do miss driving it. I think I had the best trims on both the G and the C, hence I feel comfortable with making a comparison of the two cars. The G was loaded with all the options (except for 4wheel steering which did nothing but weigh the car down), 6spd, 19” wheel and 14” rotors, sports, performance, navi packages, etc. The benz has pretty much everything (except for lane assist) including red leather, amg wheels and whatever packages were available.


Here’s my take:
Comfort/quality: the benz takes the cake on this one. The materials used, the finish, the quality of the leather, the smoothness of the ride are all better in the C class.

Performance: the G takes the benz in every category. Handling, power, control, gearing, etc. The engine and exhaust tones were some of the best I’ve heard on the G37, especially after I slapped a dual intake on it. Lastly, I think the transmission on the c350 is slightly pathetic if you want to do a bit of spirited driving (this is comparing it to automatic Gs) but it is fine if you want to drive like a grandmother

Ergonomics, common sense, electronics: MB really dropped the ball on this one. Although the console is improved a bit now, the navigation in the MB absolutely blows compared to infiniti. The backup camera on the MB is poor compared to the G’s since the G has the turning lines which you know about. Going through the car settings is also not very intuitive in the benz, not to mention the placement of certain buttons and such. There are some things that just bug the hell out of me because they don’t feel natural.. im not gonna get into all of them, but I’ll just mention the MB steering wheel to give you examples: 1) I feel like the volume buttons should be on the left side of the steering wheel (because that’s the more used button and my right hand is usually on the shifter) 2) there should be an option to change song tracks/stations regardless of the theme of settings I pick on my dash 3) pressing up should go back a track, not forward when changing music 4) why is the navi volume control the same as the audio volume control? Lots of mishaps happen to this because I have my nav voice volume down 4) why cant I answer a call by pressing OK on the steering wheel? I feel little things can be changed to make a driver’s experience more smooth. In contrast, all the features, buttons, etc feel natural. First time getting in and using the dash computer feels like a machine you've used for years.

Service: Infiniti had flawless service. I could go in and borrow a brand new G for a weekend if I wanted to go out of town. They replaced everything I wanted including wear and tear items. Overall, it was just a good experience. Benz, well the good thing about that is that I haven’t had to come in to get anything changed or serviced. The only problems I have on the benz are irreparable (clanking panoramic roof, rough engine sound at idle, a transmission that has no idea what its doing)

Head turning effect: people appreciate MB as a brand more, so MB gets the nod for getting visual attention. however, if both cars drive by, all the attention is going to be on the G because of how good it sounds



Having said all that, both cars have their pros and cons. To each their own

Breitling65

I wouldn't agree on handling and transmission, G's automatic transmission is jerky also you could feel higher boat cornering effect on G since it is higher form the ground. G is required drop from day one, ugly gap between fender and tire pissed me off since day one. Design? G is is reminding me Nissan Juke, must be same designer worked on both ... Power? Yes it is stronger but also larger engine.

C:
http://lennyshprekher.zenfolio.com/p...22fc#h182d22fc
http://lennyshprekher.zenfolio.com/p...e780#h2883e780

G:
http://lennyshprekher.zenfolio.com/p...3738#h269d3738

MaDd

to see what i mean about the transmission, drive 60mph and then start downshifting with the tiptronic. it will take you over 6 second (closer 7) to get down to 2nd. thats unacceptable if you need power as soon as you start shifting down. i wont even get in to pressing the gas and waiting for the lag until the car does something about downshifting

handling.. well drive 80mph and go over a bump on the freeway, the C will float around like a boat for a bit. doesnt your awd coupe weigh a good amount more than the sports coupe that im comparing? from what i remember, the "x" didnt help around the track.

haha i love how we're comparing cars we both have (had) as if its a dick measuring contest. overall, i think both vehicles were great buys compared to what else is out there on the market

Breitling65

No comments on Juke design lines? BTW, my C350 is very stable on corners, G37x boat-ing side by side lot. Also not big fan of AWD unless on my Jeep and off road.

MaDd

I don't make comments on the exterior design. That's subjective. I like both cars designs, otherwise I wouldn't have owned them. The G would kill a C around the corners, not sure why yours was a boat, maybe it's due to that poor awd

Breitling65

That is not, also there is plenty of examples of ugly cars admitted by millions of people. Juke and any latest Nissan's are one of them. All possibly made by same designer since looks pretty much same on lines to G. Again, my C with sport suspension tuning and cornering is perfect. Much better to G and in general car is lower to the ground and that is the main reason. With good summer tires cornering is just perfect, summer time....

MaDd

Why would you have purchased an ugly car?

I'm willing to bet money that a G will take out a C on the tracks. If you think a C can go around a course quicker, you are very wrong

Breitling65

It is larger engine why are we talking about? C63 will dust G as well, So? Ugly? everyone makes mistakes, more important is to admit it

MaDd

we are talking about a better handling car, hence i brought up a road course/track instead of a drag strip . yes, the car's power does play into that equation. people do make mistakes, but spending $40k+ on a car that you adamantly think is ugly is one mistake a person shouldn't make

MaDd

just looked up pictures of the juke, lol and you sir are an idiot. im done here

Breitling65

Who is if you like it?

Breitling65

I would understand if you said G35 vs C350 for example, than I am sure C will win. but why would you compare G37? Sounds not normal to me...
Well if you are driving several japanese cars one after another it is easy mistake to make.

DameMD

MaDd - please don't argue with this guy. He is obviously blind and has his head so far up the c350 tailpipes he can't think straight.

Brietling you are telling me a G37 can't out handle a c350? LMFAO smh. I will just sum this up, my previous G37xS sedan and G37S Coupe would easily hand you your c350 around a track.

https://mbworld.org/forums/4982471-post33.html

Also, your c350 vs c250 handling logic is LMFAO laughable. We are not talking engine power here, we are talking pure suspension components on two cars that have the same suspension. Around a skip pad the the c250 going the same speeds as a c350 WITH SAME SUSPENSION COMPONENTS the c250 because of the less wieght will handle better period. Do I need to pull up technical discussions from real car sites for that to sink in? Why do you bother arguing with people on this site? I understand its your opinion but you are misguiding the public with bad information.

Breitling65

Do you even read what I said? One ignorant moro. helping to another... Seem useless forum full of ^^^^

Muray

My 2013 C250 with the sport plus package rides quite harsh. Harsher than the S4 I had. And I drive in LI and Queens in NY. Ride wise not the most comfortable car. Lots of head bobbing. But I like how racy it feels, how tight the seats are, and can't wait to track it in the summer. I don't even mind the turbo lag since it's getting great gas mileage. I think with summer tires it will handle better than the S4 I had, it definitely feels lower to the ground and wider. Brakes feel better too. But I miss having the adjustable suspension.

I think a C350 with Dynamic Handling package would be the perfect compromise. Fast enough, adjustable suspension, good looks. But I didn't want to wait 4 months. The dealer had it in the lot so I just got it. BTW the black grill on the black C paint is absolutely killer with black rims.

Taurian

Muray: I'm on LI as well. I can go either: C250 Sport (not Sport Plus), with P1, Navi, AMG Rims, Spoiler, Keyless Go...sign and drive under $435 per month all in for 24 months, tax in payment.

Or, $575 per month for C350 with Navi, AMG Rims, 4MATIC, Keyless Go.

Deciding if it's worth the $140 per month to go w/the C350....