doing some research
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doing some research
So as some of you have no doubt seen, I have been doing a lot of digging and asking a lot of questions trying to find out, just what we can do to our cars to make them a bit more fair to our AMG endowed brethren.
A few links I have to share are;
http://www.aspracing.com/import.htm#Mercedes
(no word on the site just how much power this adds, does anyone know)
http://dyno-comp.com/details.php?bro...owse_submit=GO
(seems the have a renntech kit, nice. It depicts a a w203, but the w203 C230K uses the same engine as the W202 and it says up to '02, so it's clearly an M111. I need to contact them regarding fitment.)
http://dyno-comp.com/details.php?bro...owse_submit=GO
(again, probably intended for W203s, they dont specify which. Although it can mount to a W202 C230K, the question of fitment remains, is anything in the way? They also claim 50-60whp increase with the power kit + headers. that's right in AMG territory)
http://www.supersprint.com/USP00mer20210.asp
(I have seen these mentioned on the boards and they are supposed to be good. i don't know how they stack up to the dynocomp ones though. Also they are in Europe, and I am not.)
I have also seen mention of a MAF relocation to improve performance, but I can't find any directions and I am not even sure of what performance improvement this is supposed to give. club202 doesn't seem to be accepting new members for some reason so I can't access their how-tos.
A few links I have to share are;
http://www.aspracing.com/import.htm#Mercedes
(no word on the site just how much power this adds, does anyone know)
http://dyno-comp.com/details.php?bro...owse_submit=GO
(seems the have a renntech kit, nice. It depicts a a w203, but the w203 C230K uses the same engine as the W202 and it says up to '02, so it's clearly an M111. I need to contact them regarding fitment.)
http://dyno-comp.com/details.php?bro...owse_submit=GO
(again, probably intended for W203s, they dont specify which. Although it can mount to a W202 C230K, the question of fitment remains, is anything in the way? They also claim 50-60whp increase with the power kit + headers. that's right in AMG territory)
http://www.supersprint.com/USP00mer20210.asp
(I have seen these mentioned on the boards and they are supposed to be good. i don't know how they stack up to the dynocomp ones though. Also they are in Europe, and I am not.)
I have also seen mention of a MAF relocation to improve performance, but I can't find any directions and I am not even sure of what performance improvement this is supposed to give. club202 doesn't seem to be accepting new members for some reason so I can't access their how-tos.
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repost from my other thread.
The reason that "more people aren't doing this" is simply that the amount of work to get this done correctly is extensive, costly and a used AMG can be purchased for less....
But since you seem to be heading this direction, here is the short list of items (in addition to those you have already mentioned):
- radiator and hoses are different/ use Behr OEM replacement and you won't have to fit hoses via, trial and error.
- remove air-to-air intercooler for C230 Kompressor models
- replace electric fan(s) with items matching replacement engine requirements
- different A/C condenser and hoses
- Yes all W202's use the "same" 5-speed AUTO in the same manner that GM used a Powerglide in everything from a Corvair through an Impala Big Block...
The tranny is not set-up to handle the V-8 so do yourself a favor and replace with a C43 AMG rebuilt or have the existing trans rebuilt to the AMG specs.
- the trans cooler lines will also have to be replaced for proper routing to the new radiator
- the brakes, calipers, spindles, rotors, master cylinder and ABS will have to be replaced with the AMG components. I would strongly recommend the replacement of the ESP components as well. As luck would have it, the hard lines should match up...
- the springs, struts, A-Arms and ball joints will also have to be replaced with the AMG components to handle the additional weight and match the AMG steering geometry.
- the power steering rack is also a fast response item and exclusive to the AMG (yes that means different tie rods and power steering hoses)
- the rear differential is not up to the V-8 requirements and should be replaced along with the axle half shafts. The driveshaft and rag joints, I don't have any specific info on, but my bet is that they are more robust to handle the V-8.
- The fuel pump should be the same, but fuel lines are different to route to the AMG engine
- The alternator is more robust on the C43, don't try to reuse the 90 Amp C230 version.
- the exhaust and hangers are exclusive to the C43
- AMG also stiffened the body/chassis to aid in handling, I don't know what that looks like to gusset the existing W202 chassis to duplicate that effort
This is by no way an all inclusive listing and AMG spent literally millions of dollars developing the C43 package based on a W202 chassis, they didn't just stuff a V-8 into the engine bay.
But since you seem to be heading this direction, here is the short list of items (in addition to those you have already mentioned):
- radiator and hoses are different/ use Behr OEM replacement and you won't have to fit hoses via, trial and error.
- remove air-to-air intercooler for C230 Kompressor models
- replace electric fan(s) with items matching replacement engine requirements
- different A/C condenser and hoses
- Yes all W202's use the "same" 5-speed AUTO in the same manner that GM used a Powerglide in everything from a Corvair through an Impala Big Block...
The tranny is not set-up to handle the V-8 so do yourself a favor and replace with a C43 AMG rebuilt or have the existing trans rebuilt to the AMG specs.
- the trans cooler lines will also have to be replaced for proper routing to the new radiator
- the brakes, calipers, spindles, rotors, master cylinder and ABS will have to be replaced with the AMG components. I would strongly recommend the replacement of the ESP components as well. As luck would have it, the hard lines should match up...
- the springs, struts, A-Arms and ball joints will also have to be replaced with the AMG components to handle the additional weight and match the AMG steering geometry.
- the power steering rack is also a fast response item and exclusive to the AMG (yes that means different tie rods and power steering hoses)
- the rear differential is not up to the V-8 requirements and should be replaced along with the axle half shafts. The driveshaft and rag joints, I don't have any specific info on, but my bet is that they are more robust to handle the V-8.
- The fuel pump should be the same, but fuel lines are different to route to the AMG engine
- The alternator is more robust on the C43, don't try to reuse the 90 Amp C230 version.
- the exhaust and hangers are exclusive to the C43
- AMG also stiffened the body/chassis to aid in handling, I don't know what that looks like to gusset the existing W202 chassis to duplicate that effort
This is by no way an all inclusive listing and AMG spent literally millions of dollars developing the C43 package based on a W202 chassis, they didn't just stuff a V-8 into the engine bay.
