ctC230K

That's the plan!

BlackC230Coupe

i didnt read this whole thead, but i bet you lost some HP with that K&N filter like they did on many other mercedes.

nlpamg

haha, that's what I thought! do you know if the green filters are proven to increase some horsepower in the m271 engines? if so, I think I know who to order one from

vyruz

i have found a way to get the c230 to 300 HP TO THE WHEELS!!!

ill make a new thread, my car will have all the mods, and all the dynos to proe everything.


1, change the computr to kick the boost in at 1500 RPM
2. change the redline to 8,000 RPM
3. change the internals to e able to handle 100% boost form 1500-8000 rpm
4. change the camshaft, to a custom made camshaft
5. re-map th ecu
6. pully kit



all this will be done in CA. my car will be the prototype and me and my partner will start modding other benz as well.

HE has been working for mercedes for the past 10 years, he has all the connections and resources he needs.

He also is from argentina, and has proffesional drivers there, with shops, where he will produce all of this.

He also modded his son's friend c230 in costa rica to push 278HP to the wheels


more to come

BlackC230Coupe

You know what, i am not even sure if Green filter has any out for the M271. I am going to have to check on that.

nukblazi

Cyrus, we've know this is the way to do it for years. Wait, decades. The problem is that with the forged components you are referring to on the internals, USD you are typically looking at 10k etc., more, depends on quality, workmanship, etc. The issues you're going to find is that most people, most if not all are not in the position to or willing to do open heart surgery on these cars.

Autohaus Pompano got 250 wheel power N/A (removed the SC) with stock displacement, but had MAJOR reliablity issues and blew up a few engines real good. Autohaus, a professional race team running two cars in the Speed World Challenge series, would've spared no expense on the internals of the motor. They use full stand alone Engine Management... and you think that a custom or re-ground cam, Costa Rican forged rods and pistons and some ECU tweeking will produce 300 whp reliably? You also need to upgrade the entire valve train... there are so many "little" details. Here's a good one. I blew my first manual box with just the flywheel mod, the replacement is now getting sloppy and cruching gears again. I am on going on my forth differential. The stock unit is smaller than the V8 unit and can not, repeat can not take the abuse. The amount of people who've cracked the Pinion gear, not even the ring gear, is insane.

Yes, reliability is subjective. Though note that at that output and RPM, you will need to pay attention to all the little details like the rear main seal and crackcase breather hoses. Mine leaks like a ho after a long night and I am just running the pulley and spinning up to 6500.

As part of a kit so you don't sell one kit and never another, you need to harden the transmission and diff, cyro treatment. Or replace the entire rear-subframe with a C32 unit. Automatic cars would be funny with that much HP/TQ.

And as a business question, when a C43 V8 can be had for 4500 -7000 and installed for another 3000, then be tuned aggressively to produce real BIG HP numbers, why would anyone mod the I4 to the point of such unreliability when the stock V8 or C32 could provide more HP and Factory reliability. May I recommend as part of the kit you include a spare motor?

It's 3:50am and I just finished work. I tried to answer this without holding anything against you, but simply honestly. I'd love to see those kind of numbers out of the car, it's possibly, but every other option available would produce more HP and be cheaper. If you say this "kit" and install is less than $15, I'd have to say you either are full of **** or have no idea what you're talking about.

mig888

You could just add a bottleheater, a couple harnesses here and there, maybe a laptop in the glove and a little red button on the steering wheel... know what i'm saying? Probably more reliable too, since obviously you're hell-bent on voiding the warranty on your 2004 so badly, just take a 50-shot every once in a while. It'll also probably end up being 1/15th of the cost, 1/50th the headaches, 1/1000th of the downtime from riding your bicycle to the bus stop.



'Morning Tom!

ctC230K

hahaha okay.... say that till you turn blue in the face. i KNOW my car is faster with the K&N. it's not possible that it has more torque but less hp than stock is it? i don't think so but I know the K&N made a big difference in my butt dyno. definatly more torque and better throttle response.

nukblazi

I just finsihed my first 1 hour meeting today. It doesn't end until 5 pm, then I have to do my work, work for the day. Ummm, I'd like to schedule a meeting about having a, umm, meeting. It's a damn good thing I don't sleep anyway. 4 hours sleep, 3 the night before...

I don't understand something. I mean if you've got the dough to throw away, instead of acting like a complete tool on the street, why don't you meet up the guys who track the C32s out in Cali, invest in driving schools and make inteligent "performance" decisions, and then decide if you want to go as far as building a Club Racing car?

If you do want to, you'll need a tow rig, trailer, and 10-20K for a starter car My SpecE30, which is arguably the cheapest way to start ($350 for the car, "honda" cheap parts, etc.) and the car alone is costing $12k to build, then I need a rig, at least $10K, and a trailer >$1200



I am off-topic again- I have an announcement

ctC230K

lol

vyruz

we are looking to make this affordable. aout 4,000 dollars is what the cost is looking like.


he also told me, he is working on a way to make it cheaper, but he have to give up some power.



for me i dont care, cuz im getting manual labor for free, but we have to wait and see.... gimme a month or so, and ill get hard numbers down on paper

vyruz

dude, I WOULD TOTALLY LOVE TO BY A C32, OR EVEN BETTER, A C55 AND THROW A KLEEMAN SUPERCHARGER ON THERE



BUT ///AMG IS LACKING A 6SPEED!!!!

i only like to drive manual transmission..


you find me a c32 manual tranny, i would totally jump on one today

ctC230K

or just buy a 6 speed C230 for half the price of a C32 and make it faster than a C32.

nukblazi

$4000? I will keep my mouth shut. Good luck to you... To do the same thing you are talking about but with a SC delete (club racing rules),2.5l overbore (~500 to do) and short runner intake + throttle bodies I was just quote between 4-5 times what you're stating and I have solid discounts on parts and labor. The only difference is the TB setup, ~+5k.

To get that power out of the motor, and have it last more than 5k- 20k miles would take more than that. It's 178% of the stock power.

Outland

Never discourage people.

For the fools, it just eggs them on. For the true innovators it can put them off because of the negative attitude of potential customers.

ctC230K

hey as long as the engine lasts for 1/4 mile and the distance of a few laps around the local track....

straightSIX

i have an announcement to make! this CT guy is funny

ctC230K

murfo

???

ctC230K

vyruz

this price is without labor #1

#2... my guy is from argentina, where he used to be a professional racer. He till has buddies form down there, and they are currently in the proccess of making designs... i am pretty sure its a lot cheaper t produce **** down there rather than up here

Saprissa

Not discouraging anyone, but here's my egging....


so was Fangio, and he knew better...
so he went to Europe to race for FERRARI/LANCIA, MERCEDES, ALFA ROMEO & MASERATI.

nukblazi

"You GET what you PAY for"

I don't think I could say more than that. All parts are not created equally. All manufacturing processes are not equal. The tools used to make parts are not all equal. Manley Performace makes parts for NASCAR and NHRA teams... I used to work there and there are NO made in "argentina" parts for a damn good reason.

I honestly wish you well, if you provide a valid product/ tuning option for the community that I could not make cost effective, then good job. If you polish a turd and say "well it puts out more HP than a Kleeman, renntech, or Vath pulley kit and people start blowing motors. Make sure you have your ducks in a row. I.e., will the kit be "off-road only" with no warranty expressed or implied?

Tom

ctC230K

i want my pullies/chip/exhaust right now!!!

Saprissa

me too !

oh wait, I already have chip & exhaust...

pullies coming next month !!

Carlos

Saprissa@aol.com