clkcadet

a fellow brooklyn benz owner on the forum... welcome... as for the downshifting, i have been doin it for like a year on and off but havent seen any problems at all.... but even ppl that had their cars for years and do this i havent heard many problems

Outland

Actually, the fact that all the AMG cars are auto only really limits the appeal. I'm not the only one that feels this way. BMW "M" owners often highlight the fact that AMG doesn't give you an option.



The clutch is NOT part of the transmission. Its a go between, connecting the flywheel and transmission. Its not a "breakdown" in the transmission. A clutch disk is akin to brake pads- a wear item. They wear out, you swap in a new one. Replacng a clutch is very easy on a RWD car, and far far cheaper than any auto transmission repair.

BTW, you don't fill an automatic transmission with oil. It uses a "fluid', more akin to a hydraulic fluid, than an oil. Any mechanic will tell you the auto's have more to go wrong.

I disagree. They are all relatively new MB's, maintained by the dealer. I don't think there's much possibility of a loaner with 3500 miles on it being in such poor condition that the mileage is affected.

Ive had loaners for extended periods, and after the non thrill of hammering that C240, or (when I'm so lucky) a C320/S430/E320's ... and the auto trans C230SS, I do like to see how the mileage compares. Driven normally, no feathering the throttle, like everyone normally drives, a C240 would get no better than 18mpg on the same route I drive every day. Driven more conservatively, using the slapshift to force an upshift, etc...I can eak out about 22, sometimes 23mpg. Sure, its a six, but its only 300cc's bigger, and its down 70HP against my ride. Perhaps someone with a manual C240 can post there mileage.

Huh? What kind of policy is that? Ive never heard of such a thing. Youre not confusing this with "extended warranty" are you?

That is really backwards, given all the stick shift econoboxes running around out there.

Its just a jab. Nothing personal.

Sure. I don't mind. Stingy. Bob, can you replace "MBWorld Fanatic!" or whatever it says these days next to the avatar with"Stingy Manual Transmission guy"?

Capt Nemo o2

That is not really true. Automatics have clutch packs for each gear which do wear out. They dont wear as much as a manual because they dont all get used during each shift and downshift. They also dont have the clutch slip nor take the abuse that a clutch an a manual takes. But they do wear, and I would gladly pay the price to have a clutch replaced than to have an automatic rebuilt. Even though it probably balances out, more clutch jobs (assume every 80K miles) and an automatic rebuild every 300K!

Outland

Take a look on autotrader, or ebay...very few automatics make it to 200, much less 300 without a canopener. Figure 1500 easy for a rebuilt automatic.

Capt Nemo o2

I gave it a high estimate! I thought 200K but never had, nor know of anyone who's had a car with that much milage.

Outland

My last Cherokee made it to 200K, but the tranny was getting a little iffy. It was constantly changing gears for no reason, holding them too long... I changed the filter, adjusted the shifting and flushed it, and that returned the shifting to normal...but it would slip just as much when I got on the gas, especially off the line. New owner will love it.

Capt Nemo o2

Hey thats good for a Jeep tranny! I remember alot of people had their trannies replaced under warranty on the 95 to 98 GC ZJ's (they put in a weaker tranny in 95, 93 and 94 were stronger. 93 and 94 also had the option of a 5 speed on the I6) I had no problems with my tranny up to the point I sold it, 130K. The transfer case however, died at 115K, when TC got hot the front and rear axles locked together, made turning fun! However, with the exception of the distributer gear breaking, the engine was as strong as ever, the 4.0 I6 and 318/360 V8's were bullet proof engines. I know people who put 300K+ on the 4.0 before a recommended rebuild. Anyways sorry I'm

Outland

My family has always had Jeeps, and theyve been very reliable...like you said, the inline six was indestructable.

StillKickin

hey...clkcadet where in BK are you...oh and is the car supposed to stand still on pretty small inclines if its in "C" mode....and does the C mode provide better gas mileage? for some reason it seems lower to me

ctC230K

what does the color of your car have to do with anything?

r3v1ls

This thread has gone completely off topic. But i would like to say that there is nothing out there that can compare to the satisfaction and control you receive by driving a Manual car. Having the 3rd pedal there and being able to choose EXACTLY what you want the car to do is just an amazing feeling of control. What do you guys think of the SMG transmission? I personally still feel like it's just an automatic... i need that damn 3rd pedal!

StillKickin

thats what my cars color has to do with anything...i dont really know...random comment

ctC230K

ohhh i missed that line

diamondblak05

I guess I should've clarify my statement a bit more. "fill with oil" meant the engine oil for the autos and not the manual. The auto transmission uses its own special ATF. Anyone should know that replacing a clutch is way cheaper than replacing an auto transmission, but when I said auto transmission have been known to last longer than manual is that the clutches wore out faster than an auto trans, thus requiring more repairs. From the insurance's point of view, this is more maintiance costs for them and thus, a higher rate compared to cars with auto trans.


I didn't say that the dealer don't maintain their loaners properly; it's the people that drives them...like you and me! Also, from what I've seen and heard, most people who drive loaners don't put premium gas in them and always put the foot to the floor.


MPGs varies from one car to another so we'll never really know this one.


I stand corrected. I was thinking of a comprehensive collision insurance plan from State Farm or AAA!

diamondblak05

I was told this from my insurance agent....."sports cars, luxury cars, etc..etc...cars with flashy colors such as red, yellow, or other colors that stands out from the crowd usually costs more because they attract more attention, thus being more likely to get vandalized or stolen." Whether this is true or not, talk to your agent.

clkcadet

sheepshead bay area... btw in c mode it will stand still bec the car is starting in 2nd gear... but try not to let it stand on its own its not the best for the tranny as for gas mileage i have a 320 engine but i barely check it but im happy if its over 19mpg