tune my 230k or by a clk 430
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Re: i made a decision...
Originally posted by Pffelan
gone form 18k miles on c coupe to 25k miles on clk 430....kept payment the same.
as kleeman said.... V 8........!
gone form 18k miles on c coupe to 25k miles on clk 430....kept payment the same.
as kleeman said.... V 8........!
We expect you to now multi-task between the CLK forums and the C forum..
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Originally posted by Accord
There is no comparison, infact I am baffled that this question has been asked
! Hands down the CLK430 will win against the C230k, in every single aspect. The CLK430 is just so far superior to the C230k.
You just cannot even compare a 4-banger to a V8, nomatter how much you modify your coupe.
There is no comparison, go for for the CLK430.
There is no comparison, infact I am baffled that this question has been asked
! Hands down the CLK430 will win against the C230k, in every single aspect. The CLK430 is just so far superior to the C230k.You just cannot even compare a 4-banger to a V8, nomatter how much you modify your coupe.
There is no comparison, go for for the CLK430.
Personally, even if I had the money, I'd still buy the ccoupe. But then I'm just a simple person, so I dream small.
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From the website:
At this time, the following vehicles are built in their entirety at Karmann: the Audi Convertible, the Mercedes Benz CLK Convertible and the Mercedes Benz CLK Coupe.
Although they only started building the CLK coupe in 2000, they have done the CLK cabriolet since 1997- its original production.
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At this time, the following vehicles are built in their entirety at Karmann: the Audi Convertible, the Mercedes Benz CLK Convertible and the Mercedes Benz CLK Coupe.
Although they only started building the CLK coupe in 2000, they have done the CLK cabriolet since 1997- its original production.
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Originally posted by tommy
Well, I'll try. The CLK is a very big two seater, which is heavy and has a horrible use of space. The ccoupe is available in a manny and has a better sunroof system (when it works). Oh, did I mention that it's just a little cheaper? And actually, for the price of a 430, you could get a ccoupe that would totally destroy it. I can only imagine the look on a CLK's owner when they lose to the far inferior ccoupe. That would be worth the price of admission right there.
Personally, even if I had the money, I'd still buy the ccoupe. But then I'm just a simple person, so I dream small.
Well, I'll try. The CLK is a very big two seater, which is heavy and has a horrible use of space. The ccoupe is available in a manny and has a better sunroof system (when it works). Oh, did I mention that it's just a little cheaper? And actually, for the price of a 430, you could get a ccoupe that would totally destroy it. I can only imagine the look on a CLK's owner when they lose to the far inferior ccoupe. That would be worth the price of admission right there.
Personally, even if I had the money, I'd still buy the ccoupe. But then I'm just a simple person, so I dream small.
So, if you buy an '00 CLK for the same money you could get a Coupe for, you could spend the leftover money you saved from buying a '02 or even an '03 CLK and you could get a Kleemann SC, etc. and easily acheive 500+ hp
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Originally posted by Accord
There is no comparison, infact I am baffled that this question has been asked! Hands down the CLK430 will win against the C230k, in every single aspect. The CLK430 is just so far superior to the C230k.
There is no comparison, infact I am baffled that this question has been asked
! Hands down the CLK430 will win against the C230k, in every single aspect. The CLK430 is just so far superior to the C230k.
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Originally posted by greg230
i thought i posted a reasonable question... pretty sure i didnt ask for a smart *** remark... wait forgot who i was talking to.
i thought i posted a reasonable question... pretty sure i didnt ask for a smart *** remark... wait forgot who i was talking to.
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Originally posted by Accord
Tommy, a 2002, or even a 2003 CLK is not in question here. A model year 2000 CLK is what this thread is about, and the value of a 2000 CLK is equivelant to Pffelan's C-Coupe.
So, if you buy an '00 CLK for the same money you could get a Coupe for, you could spend the leftover money you saved from buying a '02 or even an '03 CLK and you could get a Kleemann SC, etc. and easily acheive 500+ hp.
Tommy, a 2002, or even a 2003 CLK is not in question here. A model year 2000 CLK is what this thread is about, and the value of a 2000 CLK is equivelant to Pffelan's C-Coupe.
So, if you buy an '00 CLK for the same money you could get a Coupe for, you could spend the leftover money you saved from buying a '02 or even an '03 CLK and you could get a Kleemann SC, etc. and easily acheive 500+ hp
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You are right, though. I didn't see the comparison. But, of course, this brings in other things, like the warranty, excess mileage, wear and tear, etc.
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Originally posted by tommy
Well, I'll try. The CLK is a very big two seater, which is heavy and has a horrible use of space. The ccoupe is available in a manny and has a better sunroof system (when it works). Oh, did I mention that it's just a little cheaper? And actually, for the price of a 430, you could get a ccoupe that would totally destroy it. I can only imagine the look on a CLK's owner when they lose to the far inferior ccoupe. That would be worth the price of admission right there.
Personally, even if I had the money, I'd still buy the ccoupe. But then I'm just a simple person, so I dream small.
Well, I'll try. The CLK is a very big two seater, which is heavy and has a horrible use of space. The ccoupe is available in a manny and has a better sunroof system (when it works). Oh, did I mention that it's just a little cheaper? And actually, for the price of a 430, you could get a ccoupe that would totally destroy it. I can only imagine the look on a CLK's owner when they lose to the far inferior ccoupe. That would be worth the price of admission right there.
Personally, even if I had the money, I'd still buy the ccoupe. But then I'm just a simple person, so I dream small.
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Originally posted by tommy
Well, as a real man :p , I'd still choose a manny no matter what.
You are right, though. I didn't see the comparison. But, of course, this brings in other things, like the warranty, excess mileage, wear and tear, etc.
Well, as a real man :p , I'd still choose a manny no matter what.
You are right, though. I didn't see the comparison. But, of course, this brings in other things, like the warranty, excess mileage, wear and tear, etc.
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Re: Re: tune my 230k or by a clk 430
Originally posted by BlackC230Coupe
Lynn-
Its not really the same plat form as the W202 its on a different chassis. And it really can not be compared to the W202 very well at all. Its very different.
Lynn-
Its not really the same plat form as the W202 its on a different chassis. And it really can not be compared to the W202 very well at all. Its very different.
wheelbase/front track/rear track (mm)
W202 C-class: 2690/1505/1469
W208 CLK: 2690/1505/1473
These look like the same chassis to me.
Originally posted by MagmaSilk
so u got a MY00 CLK430 with 25K miles for around $30K ... damn! where can i get a deal like that? that is a great deal i believe.
so u got a MY00 CLK430 with 25K miles for around $30K ... damn! where can i get a deal like that? that is a great deal i believe.
Regarding the topic of the thread. I'd go with the CLK before I'd try to tune a W203 to acheive similar performance (C32 excepted, of course
). The only place where the W203 clearly excels is the rack & pinion steering, I also prefer the double wishbone front suspension on the W208s.Cheers, BT
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Re: Re: Re: tune my 230k or by a clk 430
Originally posted by trench
I'm not so sure of this:
wheelbase/front track/rear track (mm)
W202 C-class: 2690/1505/1469
W208 CLK: 2690/1505/1473
These look like the same chassis to me.
I'm not so sure of this:
wheelbase/front track/rear track (mm)
W202 C-class: 2690/1505/1469
W208 CLK: 2690/1505/1473
These look like the same chassis to me.
It still does not drive or perfrom like any W202 car i know.
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It still does not drive or perfrom like any W202 car i know.
It still does not drive or perfrom like any W202 car i know.
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Originally posted by trench
Of course, the suspension is set up differently - slightly stiffer for better handling (although I'd bet the W202 C36/C43 AMG versions are probably similar) and I imagine the center of gravity is a little lower as well.
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Of course, the suspension is set up differently - slightly stiffer for better handling (although I'd bet the W202 C36/C43 AMG versions are probably similar) and I imagine the center of gravity is a little lower as well.
Cheers, BT
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tune my 230k or by a clk 430
Originally posted by BlackC230Coupe
then why dont they just say the CLK is built on the W202 chassis instead of the W208?
then why dont they just say the CLK is built on the W202 chassis instead of the W208?
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For real, why wouldn't they? The CLK is on a different platform. It is a far superior car. That is why it is the basis for the CLK GTR.
For real, why wouldn't they? The CLK is on a different platform. It is a far superior car. That is why it is the basis for the CLK GTR.
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There is no such thing as a CLK GTR body kit. There is a DTM body kit, but not a GTR body kit. The CLK GTR is nothing like a standard W208 CLK.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tune my 230k or by a clk 430
Originally posted by BlackC230Coupe
then why dont they just say the CLK is built on the W202 chassis instead of the W208?
then why dont they just say the CLK is built on the W202 chassis instead of the W208?
Originally posted by Boo2
For real, why wouldn't they? The CLK is on a different platform. It is a far superior car. That is why it is the basis for the CLK GTR.
For real, why wouldn't they? The CLK is on a different platform. It is a far superior car. That is why it is the basis for the CLK GTR.
Even the current CLK DTM car isn't built on a CLK chassis - it simply has to share the same wheelbase and bodywork above the wheel-line, which is all that is required by the rules. The CLK DTM uses a tube-frame chassis with steel bodywork, and under the bodywork the basic chassis of both the W208 and the W209 versions is essentially the same (only the outer steel shell is different). The old W202 DTM cars did actually have to use the road car's chassis as this what was required by the rules then. So in "race speak" the current DTM is a silhouette (race cars that look like road cars) racing series, and not actually a touring car (road cars modified into racing cars) series as implied by the name.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tune my 230k or by a clk 430
Originally posted by trench
Not sure why this is the case. I guess that even though WXXX is called a chassis code, its more a code denoting the chassis/body combination (same for the S vs the CL). Besides, who can figure out MB's numbering systems anyway (i.e. why isn't the C240 a C260?).
Accord is correct here. Mercedes called the CLK GTR a CLK simply to promote CLK sales - they share nothing in common except for the headlight assembly. The car was orignially a racer (impressively built by AMG in less than 6 months from conception to final car) that competed in a series (FIA GT) with a homologation rule which stated 25 road cars were necessary to compete, however MB was allowed to race before building any road cars and I don't think they ever built the full number of 25 road going GTRs.
Even the current CLK DTM car isn't built on a CLK chassis - it simply has to share the same wheelbase and bodywork above the wheel-line, which is all that is required by the rules. The CLK DTM uses a tube-frame chassis with steel bodywork, and under the bodywork the basic chassis of both the W208 and the W209 versions is essentially the same (only the outer steel shell is different). The old W202 DTM cars did actually have to use the road car's chassis as this what was required by the rules then. So in "race speak" the current DTM is a silhouette (race cars that look like road cars) racing series, and not actually a touring car (road cars modified into racing cars) series as implied by the name.
Cheers, BT
Not sure why this is the case. I guess that even though WXXX is called a chassis code, its more a code denoting the chassis/body combination (same for the S vs the CL). Besides, who can figure out MB's numbering systems anyway (i.e. why isn't the C240 a C260?).
Accord is correct here. Mercedes called the CLK GTR a CLK simply to promote CLK sales - they share nothing in common except for the headlight assembly. The car was orignially a racer (impressively built by AMG in less than 6 months from conception to final car) that competed in a series (FIA GT) with a homologation rule which stated 25 road cars were necessary to compete, however MB was allowed to race before building any road cars and I don't think they ever built the full number of 25 road going GTRs.
Even the current CLK DTM car isn't built on a CLK chassis - it simply has to share the same wheelbase and bodywork above the wheel-line, which is all that is required by the rules. The CLK DTM uses a tube-frame chassis with steel bodywork, and under the bodywork the basic chassis of both the W208 and the W209 versions is essentially the same (only the outer steel shell is different). The old W202 DTM cars did actually have to use the road car's chassis as this what was required by the rules then. So in "race speak" the current DTM is a silhouette (race cars that look like road cars) racing series, and not actually a touring car (road cars modified into racing cars) series as implied by the name.
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Trench, AMG actually did produce the full 25 road bearing CLK-GTR's.
Mercedes-Benz will never publicly state that the CLK-GTR and CLK-DTM are nothing like their normal W208 CLK counter-part, but what Trench said is the truth.
Mercedes-Benz will never publicly state that the CLK-GTR and CLK-DTM are nothing like their normal W208 CLK counter-part, but what Trench said is the truth.
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Re: tune my 230k or by a clk 430
Originally posted by Boo2
It's SCARY how much some of you know about this $h!t. Everything I know is only through experience or observation.
It's SCARY how much some of you know about this $h!t. Everything I know is only through experience or observation.
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Trench, AMG actually did produce the full 25 road bearing CLK-GTR's
Trench, AMG actually did produce the full 25 road bearing CLK-GTR's
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Originally posted by Boo2
For real, why wouldn't they? The CLK is on a different platform. It is a far superior car. That is why it is the basis for the CLK GTR.
For real, why wouldn't they? The CLK is on a different platform. It is a far superior car. That is why it is the basis for the CLK GTR.
Just thinking its really the same chassis as the CLK-GTR makes me glad i have one.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tune my 230k or by a clk 430
Originally posted by BlackC230Coupe
Just thinking its really the same chassis as the CLK-GTR makes me glad i have one.
Just thinking its really the same chassis as the CLK-GTR makes me glad i have one.
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guess i will have to track 2 forums!
i will be pretending mine is a clk gtr every time i turn the key....
with ref to price/warranty/mileage issues raised earlier..
the price was 30000 - pounds not dollars... which may explain confusion.
bear in mind a loaded c230k here is over 30k
warranty is full mercedes for 12months extendable for a further 3yrs....
and the cars prev owner was wife of close friend of dealer principle... have his word that it has been treated with care......if you trust a dealer!
to be honest it looks in much better shape than my lower mileage c coupe... guess they dont make em like they used to...?
(that is not meant to be a flame..i love my c coupe.. i am just addicted to v8!)
i will be pretending mine is a clk gtr every time i turn the key....
with ref to price/warranty/mileage issues raised earlier..
the price was 30000 - pounds not dollars... which may explain confusion.
bear in mind a loaded c230k here is over 30k
warranty is full mercedes for 12months extendable for a further 3yrs....
and the cars prev owner was wife of close friend of dealer principle... have his word that it has been treated with care......if you trust a dealer!
to be honest it looks in much better shape than my lower mileage c coupe... guess they dont make em like they used to...?
(that is not meant to be a flame..i love my c coupe.. i am just addicted to v8!)
