SeaCoupe

Just a random thought, but what if we went to Kleeman with some buyers lined up for their Kbox and pulley kit again. I wonder if they would service us if we had enough orders for them? I'm speaking of the kit for the M111 kit.

I'll be the first to put my money out for a Kleeman kit.

What do you guys think

Ed

Buellwinkle

There's probably not enough demand to make it happen for an m111 type pulley as most people that wanted one already have it. I believe they still make a ring pulley kit in Germany but it wasn't very popular here. I believe they only made about a dozen pulley kits for the newer M271 motor and that was it, end of life on that. You may have to go with someone else for that. BTW, no kbox for the m111 motor, that was a m271 thing. They tried a chip for the m111 but they never came out with one.

white_w203

if i heard correctly, they only sold or made five m271 kits in the US at the time and no longer make them. if they did continue the m111 kit it probably would be outrageously priced.

JohnCL

Did you see this? Kleeman K23

SeaCoupe

Thanks for the input. I do have to wonder if their is a desire, that the pulley was just overpriced? Who knows.

I didn't know that their was not a Kbox with that kit.

Bull did you sell your car. I hardly ever see your posts anymore.

Ed

Buellwinkle

I sold my 2002 with the ASP pulley. I now have a 2004.5 C230 SS. My wife wanted me to have a 4 door so she could get a less than pratical car, a Jeep Wrangler. Actually I'm very happy with the sedan, the seats are the biggest plus, more comfortable. The Jeep is a pain to get in and out of but I do like that too. I miss the power of the coupe but I haven't seen any performance mods that are compelling to me for the price point, certainly nothing like the $350 I paid for the pulley on the 2002. Also I don't believe the hype on the pulleys for the M271, ASP did one and it didn't show enough gain for them to want to sell it. You are running 11psi on the M271, probably close to the limits for that design. I don't think that forcing that Eaton to 13-14psi will get you that much gain by itself as the engine start pulling back timing. With an ECU mod it's possible but now you are talking $2K for 10-15hp, not worth it for me. Even Evosport has promised a pulley kit but never finished it, I can understand from ASP's results.

The ebay deal looks good, Brandon from Kleemann said they will not make that pulley again and that was like 2 years ago so the listing is true, it is rare. I believe it was made by Unorthodox Racing. The original price was $899 for that pulley. Pricing varied across all tuners for basically the same thing and Kleemann was sort of in the middle, more than ASP, less than Renntech and Brabus.

BTW, I do post plenty but not as much as I did when I had the 2002, check my number of number of posts, 4,869.

HoustonC230

I've got the ASP pulley on my M271 right now... still awaiting an ECU mod. (lack of time right now). No gains by the pulley itself - but the power comes on faster. Timing gets pulled at high RPM's... hopefully this can be corrected with a good ECU tune, but we'll see. I've got a sinking feeling it's not just the ECU playing tricks on me, but the FPR is cutting me out.

The kleeman kit includes an FPR and a dummy box, so it takes care of the fuel issues and your engine doesn't pull timing.

I believe ASP would still make the pulley for the M111, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you were happy with their design Buell? I think they listed at $650.

Outland

Really? That's surprising. Just a couple of extra pounds and youre running short of fuel....man, I'd never think of adding NOS to that car.

A coworker bought one about a year ago, so I assume ASP still makes them. I think newer SLK's use it as well. Well worth the money. The Kleeman unit was beautiful to look at, and being all aluminum, spun up faster....but frankly give what happened to the original asp design, I'm much happier with the stock dampener forming the core of the new design.

Weve had some warm weather around here lately, and Ive been tempted to take the Coupe out, I miss that shove back in the seat when you hammer the throttle.

DACHIGGA

Well, if we are going to ask Kleeman to do anything, it should be the SC conversion that never happened a few years back, with that along, you are looking at around 300HP, I'd be happy with that.

Dion

white_w203

supposedly kleemann is still selling the m271 pulley kit......i wonder if they're still selling the kit for the m111?!?!?

otoupalik

The reason ours is not done and that ASP does not show a gain is that you HAVE to have software to make this work. Our pulley kit is done. But without the control to make something special happen via software - not just tuning (I am not telling what that is!), no pulley will show gains. With this mod, it will be FAR more then 10-12 Hp/Tq.

Expect this to be done in 30-60 days according to our software partner - Powerchip!

Thanks
Brad

SeaCoupe

Brad,

Do you guys have plans for a pulley and Chip for the M111 engine? That would be exciting.

Depending on price, you can sign me up!

Edward

madfast

if unorthodox made the pulley, you may (and i say MAY because here is where copyrights come into play) have a better chance at getting one from unorthodox. cant hurt to ask.

otoupalik

We are not making one. I would call Unorthodox for sure.

Thanks
Brad

HoustonC230

Ok... It's been more than 60 days, so any update?

otoupalik

I wish. Powerchip is working on it diligently. They have made some real progress, but are not 100% done. Like us, they are not going to release anything till it is perfect. Soon I hope.

Thanks
Brad

rubensans

Take a look on kleemann website because they have a offer on kit's for M111.

http://www.kleemann.dk/site

STOCK CLEARANCE
Special prices on our popular TM-5 alloys along with our boost kits for M111. Contact your local dealer to hear more.

C230 Sport Coup

Why are we having this conversation?
A waste of breath.
Why would anyone want the M111 Kleeman kit?
The ASP rules for 1/2 the price and uses a
stock pulley as a core with harmonic dampener intact,
also the source of much debate.

Kleeman pulled the M111 kit from the US after a certain
mechanical engineer on the boards showed that the amount of
stress at the point of contact with the crank, using advanced
computer modeling engineering tools,
exceeded the amount of force the material used was rated for.
Shortly after those threads were posted, they pulled it...
Buell knows this...why so coy Senor?
I had lot of laughs with the banter between you and
Brandon....another reason they pulled it...
you spanked the boy into submission and admitting no
special magic existed in their pulley. He took his toys and went home!

C230SportsCoupe

Any updates Brad?

raklert

Are you suggesting that the Kleeman pulley kit for the M111 is flawed and harmful to the engine? Please clarify that to me because I just got one installed in my 2002 c200k a month ago. Thanks man.

[iNTx]

Hrm .... Is it the same kit for the 2.0 and the 2.3?
I have an E200 Kompressor too W210

SeaCoupe

I have the full pulley ring on my C230k. I have put on about 5k miles, and no problem. I think the problem was with the older style of a pulley mounted onto a pulley/hub concentric ring.

Ed