Warnings on computer display
09-03-2002, 12:27 PM
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Warnings on computer display
I don't know if this happened to anyone of you. I was driving from VA to North Carolina and suddenly I've got 2 malfunction messages at the same time. One was saying that something was wrong with the BAS system and the other was related to the ESP system. I inmediatly checked the brakes and at least they worked.
After I stopped the car and re-started it the messages were gone but on my way back and after 150 miles of driving I've got them again. This morning they were gone. It's like they come and go all the time.
Does anyone know what this mean ?? I'll go this afternoon to my dealership to check the car, but it's something weird (specially after driving it only 4,500 miles!!!)
After I stopped the car and re-started it the messages were gone but on my way back and after 150 miles of driving I've got them again. This morning they were gone. It's like they come and go all the time.
Does anyone know what this mean ?? I'll go this afternoon to my dealership to check the car, but it's something weird (specially after driving it only 4,500 miles!!!)
09-03-2002, 12:29 PM
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I have had the same thing happen 5 times now in the last two weeks. I called the dealer and they told me not to worry since the message was gone after restart. But, I am going to take it in anyway to have them check it out.
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'01 CLK 55
...My CLK 55 displayed three malfunctions ( ABS, BAS, ESP) while I was returning from a long distance trip. I pulled over, turned off the ignition, restarted and the warnings disappeared. I took it into the dealer and a faulty switch was replaced. I was told that this switch is a common cause for the false malfunction displays. I was also told that I could expect the warnings to return intermittantly if it wasn't replaced.
09-03-2002, 01:59 PM
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I had the ESP and fuel malfunctions. They replaced the sensors but I still get the fuel malfunction. I am taking it to a new service centre, at Belmont Ca.
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2002 C240 C2,C4,C5 Clear Bra, Bose, Pinstriping
ESP and BAS malfunction
Hi,
What you described in your message is exactly what I experienced numerous times on my previous 2002 C240 after just 2-3 months of ownership. So after several trips to the dealership and a few replacement chips and sensors later my service manager acknowledged that they had faced the same
problem in other C-classes and they were unable to pinpoint the
cause of the problem.
Also monitor the RPM indicator very closely whenever you encounter the problem you will find that your car rev's up considerably more than it should under normal conditions and I guess that is because the engine is
operating at only 70% of its normal effeciency with an ESP malfunction as mentioned in the C-class Manual.
Well in my case i was lucky that MB replaced my car with another 2002 with very little expense to me. I really thank Mercedes Benz for their fine customer service and can guaranty that I am a customer for life.
My advise to you is dont live with the problem. Talk to your service manager or contact Mercedes Benz North America, if they are not able to rectify this issue. I think it is a a manufacturing defect in a few C-classes that they need to recall. Also we spend our good hard earned money on these fine cars because we
expect them to be trouble free. So Don't settle for less.
Good Luck,
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I don't know if this happened to anyone of you. I was driving from VA to North Carolina and suddenly I've got 2 malfunction messages at the same time. One was saying that something was wrong with the BAS system and the other was related to the ESP system. I inmediatly checked the brakes and at least they worked.
After I stopped the car and re-started it the messages were gone but on my way back and after 150 miles of driving I've got them again. This morning they were gone. It's like they come and go all the time.
Does anyone know what this mean ?? I'll go this afternoon to my dealership to check the car, but it's something weird (specially after driving it only 4,500 miles!!!)
What you described in your message is exactly what I experienced numerous times on my previous 2002 C240 after just 2-3 months of ownership. So after several trips to the dealership and a few replacement chips and sensors later my service manager acknowledged that they had faced the same
problem in other C-classes and they were unable to pinpoint the
cause of the problem.
Also monitor the RPM indicator very closely whenever you encounter the problem you will find that your car rev's up considerably more than it should under normal conditions and I guess that is because the engine is
operating at only 70% of its normal effeciency with an ESP malfunction as mentioned in the C-class Manual.
Well in my case i was lucky that MB replaced my car with another 2002 with very little expense to me. I really thank Mercedes Benz for their fine customer service and can guaranty that I am a customer for life.
My advise to you is dont live with the problem. Talk to your service manager or contact Mercedes Benz North America, if they are not able to rectify this issue. I think it is a a manufacturing defect in a few C-classes that they need to recall. Also we spend our good hard earned money on these fine cars because we
expect them to be trouble free. So Don't settle for less.
Good Luck,
------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know if this happened to anyone of you. I was driving from VA to North Carolina and suddenly I've got 2 malfunction messages at the same time. One was saying that something was wrong with the BAS system and the other was related to the ESP system. I inmediatly checked the brakes and at least they worked.
After I stopped the car and re-started it the messages were gone but on my way back and after 150 miles of driving I've got them again. This morning they were gone. It's like they come and go all the time.
Does anyone know what this mean ?? I'll go this afternoon to my dealership to check the car, but it's something weird (specially after driving it only 4,500 miles!!!)
09-03-2002, 05:14 PM
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TylerDurden : thanks for your lead. I'll go to the dealership today and hopefully they'll get it fixed. As soon as I get an answer I'll put it on this forum. Thanks again !
09-04-2002, 12:03 AM
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This is probably the right answer....
Posted by DtS, vadim@evosport had same prob and solution on C32 as well.....
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begin:
Found some service records on the topic.
50 187 4/10/2001 170-203-202 42
INDICATOR LAMP ON AND FAULT CODE C1000-008 STORED: Gentlemen,
Please see Dealer Technical Bulletin #187 below. FYI
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
ROUTE=ALL
TO: ALL SHOP FOREMEN
ALL SERVICE MANAGERS
ALL PARTS MANAGERS
ALL SERVICE ADVISORS
ALL WARRANTY ADMINISTRATORS
CC: MBUSA FIELD PERSONNEL
VPC / PDC MANAGERS
SUBJECT: DEALER TECHNICAL BULLETIN 26/01
***REPLACES MB-NET MESSAGE NO. 028 DATED JANUARY 24, 2001***
26/01-1 RECALLS AND SERVICE CAMPAIGNS: WHEN REPAIRING ANY VEHICLE, ALWAYS
CHECK THE VEHICLE MASTER INQUIRY FOR OPEN CAMPAIGNS
26/01-2 GROUP 42 - MODELS 170, 203 AND 202 WITH M111 ENGINE, ABS INDICATOR LAMP ON AND FAULT CODE C1000-008 STORED: Manufacturing tolerance's in the Teves ESP control module may cause the control module to switch off and store the fault code C1000-008 at high engine compartment temperatures. Once the control module has cooled down and the vehicle has
been restarted, the ESP system is fully operative again.
Repair procedure:
Install optimized ESP control module, identified by the Q status printed onto the control module.
New control modules:
202 545 49 32 - Q08 (202)
170 545 02 32 - Q06 (202)
203 545 17 32 - Q02 (203)
170 545 02 32 - Q06 (170)
Please use these part numbers and these Q values or greater. Please use Damage Code 43181 52, if necessary, and Operation Code 42-8236.
NOTE: The part number which can be seen on the control module refers to the assembly kit consisting of the control module AND the hydraulic unit, and is therefore different from the part number stated above. This is intentional.
Service Engineering
JLdg
4-10-01
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begin:
Found some service records on the topic.
50 187 4/10/2001 170-203-202 42
INDICATOR LAMP ON AND FAULT CODE C1000-008 STORED: Gentlemen,
Please see Dealer Technical Bulletin #187 below. FYI
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
ROUTE=ALL
TO: ALL SHOP FOREMEN
ALL SERVICE MANAGERS
ALL PARTS MANAGERS
ALL SERVICE ADVISORS
ALL WARRANTY ADMINISTRATORS
CC: MBUSA FIELD PERSONNEL
VPC / PDC MANAGERS
SUBJECT: DEALER TECHNICAL BULLETIN 26/01
***REPLACES MB-NET MESSAGE NO. 028 DATED JANUARY 24, 2001***
26/01-1 RECALLS AND SERVICE CAMPAIGNS: WHEN REPAIRING ANY VEHICLE, ALWAYS
CHECK THE VEHICLE MASTER INQUIRY FOR OPEN CAMPAIGNS
26/01-2 GROUP 42 - MODELS 170, 203 AND 202 WITH M111 ENGINE, ABS INDICATOR LAMP ON AND FAULT CODE C1000-008 STORED: Manufacturing tolerance's in the Teves ESP control module may cause the control module to switch off and store the fault code C1000-008 at high engine compartment temperatures. Once the control module has cooled down and the vehicle has
been restarted, the ESP system is fully operative again.
Repair procedure:
Install optimized ESP control module, identified by the Q status printed onto the control module.
New control modules:
202 545 49 32 - Q08 (202)
170 545 02 32 - Q06 (202)
203 545 17 32 - Q02 (203)
170 545 02 32 - Q06 (170)
Please use these part numbers and these Q values or greater. Please use Damage Code 43181 52, if necessary, and Operation Code 42-8236.
NOTE: The part number which can be seen on the control module refers to the assembly kit consisting of the control module AND the hydraulic unit, and is therefore different from the part number stated above. This is intentional.
Service Engineering
JLdg
4-10-01
09-04-2002, 12:04 AM
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DtS posted another too
Or this one...
58 205 4/12/2001 170,203,202 42
MALFUNCTION INDICATOR LAMP ON AND FAULT CODE C1000-016 OR C1000-128 IS STORED:
Gentlemen,Please see Dealer Technical Bulletin #205 below. FYI
-----------------------------------------------------------
ROUTE=ALL
To: ALL SHOP FOREMEN
ALL SERVICE MANAGERS
ALL PARTS MANAGERS
ALL SERVICE ADVISORS
ALL WARRANTY ADMINISTRATORS
CC: MBUSA FIELD PERSONNEL
VPC / PDC MANAGERS
SUBJECT: DEALER TECHNICAL BULLETIN 34/01
34/01-1 RECALLS AND SERVICE CAMPAIGNS: WHEN REPAIRING ANY VEHICLE,
ALWAYS CHECK THE VEHICLE MASTER INQUIRY FOR OPEN CAMPAIGNS
34/01-2 GROUP 42.45 - MODEL 170, 203 and 202 WITH M111, ABS/BAS/ESP MALFUNCTION INDICATOR LAMP ON AND FAULT CODE C1000-016 OR C1000-128 IS STORED: If you encounter
complaints of the ABS/BAS/ESP malfunction indicator lamp illuminated and the ABS/BAS/ESP fault message appearing in the multi-function display while the vehicle is being driven or after the engine has been started, and at the same time, the fault code C1000-016 or C1000-128 is stored in the ESP control module, please check the power to the ESP control module. This complaint is generally caused by problems with the power supply. In such
cases, the control module must NOT be replaced.
To check the power supply, please consult the appropriate wiring diagram while observing the following instructions given below.
MODEL 170:
- Check the power supply at PIN 45 (2.5 sq. mm, sw) and PIN 47 (4.0 sq. mm, sw) of the ESP control module.
- Check fuse F31f3 (fuse 3 in the battery fuse box) for secure fit and continuity.
- Check Z4/3 (end sleeve of terminal 30)
MODEL 202:
- Check the power supply at PIN 45 (2.5 sq. mm, rt/rs) and PIN 47 (4.0 sq. mm, rt/ge) of the ESP control module.
- Check the fuses F23/1f8 and F23/1f9 (control modules box) for secure fit and continuity
- Check X12/3 (terminal block for terminal 30)
MODEL 203:
- Check the power supply at PIN 45 (2.5 sq. mm, rt) and PIN 47 (4.0 sq. mm, rt) of the ESP control module.
Service Engineering
JLdg
4-12-01
58 205 4/12/2001 170,203,202 42
MALFUNCTION INDICATOR LAMP ON AND FAULT CODE C1000-016 OR C1000-128 IS STORED:
Gentlemen,Please see Dealer Technical Bulletin #205 below. FYI
-----------------------------------------------------------
ROUTE=ALL
To: ALL SHOP FOREMEN
ALL SERVICE MANAGERS
ALL PARTS MANAGERS
ALL SERVICE ADVISORS
ALL WARRANTY ADMINISTRATORS
CC: MBUSA FIELD PERSONNEL
VPC / PDC MANAGERS
SUBJECT: DEALER TECHNICAL BULLETIN 34/01
34/01-1 RECALLS AND SERVICE CAMPAIGNS: WHEN REPAIRING ANY VEHICLE,
ALWAYS CHECK THE VEHICLE MASTER INQUIRY FOR OPEN CAMPAIGNS
34/01-2 GROUP 42.45 - MODEL 170, 203 and 202 WITH M111, ABS/BAS/ESP MALFUNCTION INDICATOR LAMP ON AND FAULT CODE C1000-016 OR C1000-128 IS STORED: If you encounter
complaints of the ABS/BAS/ESP malfunction indicator lamp illuminated and the ABS/BAS/ESP fault message appearing in the multi-function display while the vehicle is being driven or after the engine has been started, and at the same time, the fault code C1000-016 or C1000-128 is stored in the ESP control module, please check the power to the ESP control module. This complaint is generally caused by problems with the power supply. In such
cases, the control module must NOT be replaced.
To check the power supply, please consult the appropriate wiring diagram while observing the following instructions given below.
MODEL 170:
- Check the power supply at PIN 45 (2.5 sq. mm, sw) and PIN 47 (4.0 sq. mm, sw) of the ESP control module.
- Check fuse F31f3 (fuse 3 in the battery fuse box) for secure fit and continuity.
- Check Z4/3 (end sleeve of terminal 30)
MODEL 202:
- Check the power supply at PIN 45 (2.5 sq. mm, rt/rs) and PIN 47 (4.0 sq. mm, rt/ge) of the ESP control module.
- Check the fuses F23/1f8 and F23/1f9 (control modules box) for secure fit and continuity
- Check X12/3 (terminal block for terminal 30)
MODEL 203:
- Check the power supply at PIN 45 (2.5 sq. mm, rt) and PIN 47 (4.0 sq. mm, rt) of the ESP control module.
Service Engineering
JLdg
4-12-01
09-04-2002, 11:39 AM
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I just went to the dealer and they already knew about the problem. I left the car this morning and I've got an Enterprise car (without charge) as a loaner ?!?!?!? I was hoping to get another MB, but they're giving those pieces of sh**t !!!! Is this normal or it's because this dealership is new??? Any suggestions for a GOOD dealership in the VA/DC area ???
I bought my car from MB of Alexandria but I'm considering to move to another service center with MB loaners....
I was hoping to get another MB, but they're giving those pieces of sh**t !!!! Is this normal or it's because this dealership is new??? Any suggestions for a GOOD dealership in the VA/DC area ??? I bought my car from MB of Alexandria but I'm considering to move to another service center with MB loaners....
09-07-2002, 11:12 PM
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The same thing just happened to me today. I've got about 4,000 miles on my ride. I was just driving and next thing I knew my display just lit up with 2 faults: BAS malfunction and ESP malfunction. Got some answers from this board. thanks. I'm taking my car in on monday.
