C230 Supercharger?
01-18-2007, 09:25 PM
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01-18-2007, 09:36 PM
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yeap this can be done, not sure abt the new V6, but can be done with the previous one.
btw, i was thinking. why do every single newb member ask this question. im sorry to say lol
btw, i was thinking. why do every single newb member ask this question. im sorry to say lol
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01-18-2007, 09:49 PM
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There're many problems adding a turbo or supercharger to an engine not originally designed for it. One of the biggest challenges is the compression ratio. A turbo or supercharged engine runs a compression ratio between 7.75:1 to as high as 9:1, this is mainly to prevent pre-ignition (pinging or knocking). Most naturally aspirated engines are well over 10:1 and the new C230 v6 is 11.2:1. Theoretically it is possible to supercharge a high compression gas engine but you would have to retard the timing so much that the gains would not be there or use an octane in fuel that is not available for the road.
Other challenges are: will the components in the rest of the engine or car take the added load? remember that car companies are ruled by the bottom line and it is the job of the cost accountants to make sure it is not over designed or engineered and that the notion of 'just enough' is what prevails.
The costs and teething problems would be endless and most of us do not have the sophistication of an advanced R&D department in our backyard. Save the money and buy something that has been designed that way from the get go. We all laugh at the rice rockets where people spend $50,000 to make their Civic go faster with the lack of reliability and driveability when they could have just gone out and buy either a new or used M3 which is miles better than they could ever achieve not to mention a better resale price.
Some mods are worth it but a redesign definately is not
Other challenges are: will the components in the rest of the engine or car take the added load? remember that car companies are ruled by the bottom line and it is the job of the cost accountants to make sure it is not over designed or engineered and that the notion of 'just enough' is what prevails.
The costs and teething problems would be endless and most of us do not have the sophistication of an advanced R&D department in our backyard. Save the money and buy something that has been designed that way from the get go. We all laugh at the rice rockets where people spend $50,000 to make their Civic go faster with the lack of reliability and driveability when they could have just gone out and buy either a new or used M3 which is miles better than they could ever achieve not to mention a better resale price.
Some mods are worth it but a redesign definately is not
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01-18-2007, 09:53 PM
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There're many problems adding a turbo or supercharger to an engine not originally designed for it. One of the biggest challenges is the compression ratio. A turbo or supercharged engine runs a compression ratio between 7.75:1 to as high as 9:1, this is mainly to prevent pre-ignition (pinging or knocking). Most naturally aspirated engines are well over 10:1 and the new C230 v6 is 11.2:1. Theoretically it is possible to supercharge a high compression gas engine but you would have to retard the timing so much that the gains would not be there or use an octane in fuel that is not available for the road.
Other challenges are: will the components in the rest of the engine or car take the added load? remember that car companies are ruled by the bottom line and it is the job of the cost accountants to make sure it is not over designed or engineered and that the notion of 'just enough' is what prevails.
The costs and teething problems would be endless and most of us do not have the sophistication of an advanced R&D department in our backyard. Save the money and buy something that has been designed that way from the get go. We all laugh at the rice rockets where people spend $50,000 to make their Civic go faster with the lack of reliability and driveability when they could have just gone out and buy either a new or used M3 which is miles better than they could ever achieve not to mention a better resale price.
Other challenges are: will the components in the rest of the engine or car take the added load? remember that car companies are ruled by the bottom line and it is the job of the cost accountants to make sure it is not over designed or engineered and that the notion of 'just enough' is what prevails.
The costs and teething problems would be endless and most of us do not have the sophistication of an advanced R&D department in our backyard. Save the money and buy something that has been designed that way from the get go. We all laugh at the rice rockets where people spend $50,000 to make their Civic go faster with the lack of reliability and driveability when they could have just gone out and buy either a new or used M3 which is miles better than they could ever achieve not to mention a better resale price.
Good Sir,
I question your autommotive enthusiasm for upgradeable performance. I saw that you have a TR6, so I know you can understand what patience is, but what is wrong wtih upgrading a car? While I'm not into wings and other body add ons, I am a hardcore enthusiast of more speed.
If you want to do this, go for it. But insure you understand the tradeoffs.
Good luck. Let us ENTHUSIASTS know how we can help.
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There're many problems adding a turbo or supercharger to an engine not originally designed for it. One of the biggest challenges is the compression ratio. A turbo or supercharged engine runs a compression ratio between 7.75:1 to as high as 9:1, this is mainly to prevent pre-ignition (pinging or knocking). Most naturally aspirated engines are well over 10:1 and the new C230 v6 is 11.2:1. Theoretically it is possible to supercharge a high compression gas engine but you would have to retard the timing so much that the gains would not be there or use an octane in fuel that is not available for the road.
Other challenges are: will the components in the rest of the engine or car take the added load? remember that car companies are ruled by the bottom line and it is the job of the cost accountants to make sure it is not over designed or engineered and that the notion of 'just enough' is what prevails.
The costs and teething problems would be endless and most of us do not have the sophistication of an advanced R&D department in our backyard. Save the money and buy something that has been designed that way from the get go. We all laugh at the rice rockets where people spend $50,000 to make their Civic go faster with the lack of reliability and driveability when they could have just gone out and buy either a new or used M3 which is miles better than they could ever achieve not to mention a better resale price.
Some mods are worth it but a redesign definately is not
Other challenges are: will the components in the rest of the engine or car take the added load? remember that car companies are ruled by the bottom line and it is the job of the cost accountants to make sure it is not over designed or engineered and that the notion of 'just enough' is what prevails.
The costs and teething problems would be endless and most of us do not have the sophistication of an advanced R&D department in our backyard. Save the money and buy something that has been designed that way from the get go. We all laugh at the rice rockets where people spend $50,000 to make their Civic go faster with the lack of reliability and driveability when they could have just gone out and buy either a new or used M3 which is miles better than they could ever achieve not to mention a better resale price.
Some mods are worth it but a redesign definately is not
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