got pulled over.. violation desc.: modified exhaust... HELP
03-07-2007, 05:11 PM
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got pulled over.. violation desc.: modified exhaust... HELP
hi guys... i need some help here.... i just got pulled over by cop today...
i live in california.. my car is c230 and i put eisenmann race as my exhaust... and the cop stop me and gimme a notice to change back to stock...
it says:
violation code: 27151 cvc
violation description: modified exhaust
does eisenmann not a legal exhaust??
i live in california.. my car is c230 and i put eisenmann race as my exhaust... and the cop stop me and gimme a notice to change back to stock...
it says:
violation code: 27151 cvc
violation description: modified exhaust
does eisenmann not a legal exhaust??
03-07-2007, 05:15 PM
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eisenmann is not a street legal exhaust...
just throw the stock one back on and switch the eisenmann back when you get it inspected
you have it clamped on there, right?
just throw the stock one back on and switch the eisenmann back when you get it inspected
you have it clamped on there, right?
products are not EPA or CARB approved and are intended for off-road/track use only
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hi guys... i need some help here.... i just got pulled over by cop today...
i live in california.. my car is c230 and i put eisenmann race as my exhaust... and the cop stop me and gimme a notice to change back to stock...
it says:
violation code: 27151 cvc
violation description: modified exhaust
does eisenmann not a legal exhaust??
i live in california.. my car is c230 and i put eisenmann race as my exhaust... and the cop stop me and gimme a notice to change back to stock...
it says:
violation code: 27151 cvc
violation description: modified exhaust
does eisenmann not a legal exhaust??
that sucks
wonder which exhaust are street legal
03-07-2007, 05:27 PM
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27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system so modified.
(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor vehicles with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
27150.(a) Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall at all
times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and
properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and no
muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or
similar device.
(b) Except as provided in Division 16.5 (commencing with Section
38000) with respect to off-highway motor vehicles subject to
identification, every passenger vehicle operated off the highways shall
at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation
and properly maintained so as to meet the requirements of Article 2.5
(commencing with Section 27200), and no muffler or exhaust system shall
be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device.
(c) The provisions of subdivision (b) shall not be applicable to
passenger vehicles being operated off the highways in an organized
racing or competitive event conducted under the auspices of a
recognized sanctioning body or by permit issued by the local
governmental authority having jurisdiction.
(Amended by Stats. 1977, Ch. 558.)
27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system so modified.
(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor vehicles with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
27150.(a) Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall at all
times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and
properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and no
muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or
similar device.
(b) Except as provided in Division 16.5 (commencing with Section
38000) with respect to off-highway motor vehicles subject to
identification, every passenger vehicle operated off the highways shall
at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation
and properly maintained so as to meet the requirements of Article 2.5
(commencing with Section 27200), and no muffler or exhaust system shall
be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device.
(c) The provisions of subdivision (b) shall not be applicable to
passenger vehicles being operated off the highways in an organized
racing or competitive event conducted under the auspices of a
recognized sanctioning body or by permit issued by the local
governmental authority having jurisdiction.
(Amended by Stats. 1977, Ch. 558.)
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03-07-2007, 05:32 PM
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sometimes (if you have the time) taking the case to court will save you some money .... that's considered a "non correctable" fix-it ticket ...
(you can see the little checkbox marked in the ticket itself)
for example, tinted windows, neon lights, and alike, are considered correctable because if you take the car to the CHP check spot, they sign your ticket and all you pay is a 10$ fee + 15$ at the CHP office ...
but when it comes down to exhaust ...
the ticket DOES go to your record ....
the funny thing is that it will show up as a "0" point but the insurance still considers it a "1"
now, even if you put the stock one back, take it to the CHP and have them check it .... you will still end up paying around $400 for the ticket .... so save some money and dont even BOTHER putting the stock one back ....
now, like i said, if you take it to court and the judge is in a good mood, you just tell him that the car came like that and he might let you go without paying a single dime ....
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and WTF is up with cops lately, i just got a freaking parking ticket on saturday in downtown santa ana .... WTFFFFFF man ....
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This is why I don't do the exhaust modification anymore. I got tired of geting pulled. I got pulled over a lot when I had my japanese cars. Cops don't even care when I told them that I have Greedy exhaust and it's street legal.
03-07-2007, 05:48 PM
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this is really annoying. the eisenmann is not street legal, almost nothing in CA is...
don't cops have anything better to do?
I hate the fact that those big *** Harley's are waaaaaaay louder than any exhaust you can get for a Ferrari, but they're legal just b/c it's a bike. No tickets, but a lot of "excessive and unusual" noise... stupid standard if you ask me.
the eisenmann is loud, but I'd get it checked to see if it's over 95db. if it's not, then I'd fight the *******.
makes you rethink having a non-stock exhaust now... oh well, I'm already in that direction on the M AND I'm getting a bypass valve (sort of) as well (when it's released in April).
don't cops have anything better to do?
I hate the fact that those big *** Harley's are waaaaaaay louder than any exhaust you can get for a Ferrari, but they're legal just b/c it's a bike. No tickets, but a lot of "excessive and unusual" noise... stupid standard if you ask me.
the eisenmann is loud, but I'd get it checked to see if it's over 95db. if it's not, then I'd fight the *******.
makes you rethink having a non-stock exhaust now... oh well, I'm already in that direction on the M AND I'm getting a bypass valve (sort of) as well (when it's released in April).
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27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system so modified.
(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor vehicles with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
27150.(a) Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall at all
times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and
properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and no
muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or
similar device.
(b) Except as provided in Division 16.5 (commencing with Section
38000) with respect to off-highway motor vehicles subject to
identification, every passenger vehicle operated off the highways shall
at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation
and properly maintained so as to meet the requirements of Article 2.5
(commencing with Section 27200), and no muffler or exhaust system shall
be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device.
(c) The provisions of subdivision (b) shall not be applicable to
passenger vehicles being operated off the highways in an organized
racing or competitive event conducted under the auspices of a
recognized sanctioning body or by permit issued by the local
governmental authority having jurisdiction.
(Amended by Stats. 1977, Ch. 558.)
27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system so modified.
(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor vehicles with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
27150.(a) Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall at all
times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and
properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and no
muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or
similar device.
(b) Except as provided in Division 16.5 (commencing with Section
38000) with respect to off-highway motor vehicles subject to
identification, every passenger vehicle operated off the highways shall
at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation
and properly maintained so as to meet the requirements of Article 2.5
(commencing with Section 27200), and no muffler or exhaust system shall
be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device.
(c) The provisions of subdivision (b) shall not be applicable to
passenger vehicles being operated off the highways in an organized
racing or competitive event conducted under the auspices of a
recognized sanctioning body or by permit issued by the local
governmental authority having jurisdiction.
(Amended by Stats. 1977, Ch. 558.)
agreed!!! if you look on eisenmann's website, they show the series [sport or race] and show what the db level is. I believe race is 83-87db. so you fit in. here is an exert from their site...
Performance Level Average %HP Gain Average Flow Restriction
(Stock: 43%) Average Sound Level
(Scale: 10 = loudest, stock average = 2) Average Weight Reduction %
Sport 4.1 - 4.7 % 26.1 - 28.8 % 3.3 - 4.7 28 - 37%
Racing 6.1 - 6.4 % 20.2 - 25.5 % 5.1 - 8.9 35 - 70%
Performance Level 30-40 MPH 40-50 MPH 50-60 MPH 60-70 MPH 70-100 MPH
Stock 73 71 77 75 78
Sport 79 76 82 80 81
Racing 85 81 88 84 86
for more/same info:
http://www.eisenhaus.com/perfdetails.html
http://www.eisenhaus.com/sounddetails.html
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Surprisingly enough, a lot of cops don't know the actual regulations. If it passes smog and the decibals are lower than the maximum, you should be able to fight it.
I got out of a ticket a few years back. My cousin took it in and rev'd the exhaust for the CHP officer and they didn't feel that my exhaust even warranted a ticket because it wasn't that loud.
That's why I'm happy with my Kleemann as it is. It's not excrutiatingly loud. It growls at acceleration, but no more than any other G35 / 350 Z w/ stock exhaust (and it's deeper sounding than those exhausts).
I got out of a ticket a few years back. My cousin took it in and rev'd the exhaust for the CHP officer and they didn't feel that my exhaust even warranted a ticket because it wasn't that loud.
That's why I'm happy with my Kleemann as it is. It's not excrutiatingly loud. It growls at acceleration, but no more than any other G35 / 350 Z w/ stock exhaust (and it's deeper sounding than those exhausts).
03-07-2007, 06:02 PM
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Surprisingly enough, a lot of cops don't know the actual regulations. If it passes smog and the decibals are lower than the maximum, you should be able to fight it.
I got out of a ticket a few years back. My cousin took it in and rev'd the exhaust for the CHP officer and they didn't feel that my exhaust even warranted a ticket because it wasn't that loud.
That's why I'm happy with my Kleemann as it is. It's not excrutiatingly loud. It growls at acceleration, but no more than any other G35 / 350 Z w/ stock exhaust (and it's deeper sounding than those exhausts).
I got out of a ticket a few years back. My cousin took it in and rev'd the exhaust for the CHP officer and they didn't feel that my exhaust even warranted a ticket because it wasn't that loud.
That's why I'm happy with my Kleemann as it is. It's not excrutiatingly loud. It growls at acceleration, but no more than any other G35 / 350 Z w/ stock exhaust (and it's deeper sounding than those exhausts).
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don't cops have anything better to do?
I hate the fact that those big *** Harley's are waaaaaaay louder than any exhaust you can get for a Ferrari, but they're legal just b/c it's a bike. No tickets, but a lot of "excessive and unusual" noise... stupid standard if you ask me.
I hate the fact that those big *** Harley's are waaaaaaay louder than any exhaust you can get for a Ferrari, but they're legal just b/c it's a bike. No tickets, but a lot of "excessive and unusual" noise... stupid standard if you ask me.
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hahaha I agree with that.
Hey E, (since we are on the subject) I just had a brilliant idea...
How about we do a little meet over by your place...and what you will have set up are a bunch of tubes running into his windows or something of the sort...when we get to your place...you attach some of the tubes to are exhaust...and we all just revv...say about 20 cars hooked up to 20 tubes running into the guy's house
haha...i was bored in class and i tend to daydream alot...thought about this after i read your neighbor posting.
Hey E, (since we are on the subject) I just had a brilliant idea...
How about we do a little meet over by your place...and what you will have set up are a bunch of tubes running into his windows or something of the sort...when we get to your place...you attach some of the tubes to are exhaust...and we all just revv...say about 20 cars hooked up to 20 tubes running into the guy's house
haha...i was bored in class and i tend to daydream alot...thought about this after i read your neighbor posting.
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this is really annoying. the eisenmann is not street legal, almost nothing in CA is...
don't cops have anything better to do?
I hate the fact that those big *** Harley's are waaaaaaay louder than any exhaust you can get for a Ferrari, but they're legal just b/c it's a bike. No tickets, but a lot of "excessive and unusual" noise... stupid standard if you ask me.
the eisenmann is loud, but I'd get it checked to see if it's over 95db. if it's not, then I'd fight the *******.
makes you rethink having a non-stock exhaust now... oh well, I'm already in that direction on the M AND I'm getting a bypass valve (sort of) as well (when it's released in April).
don't cops have anything better to do?
I hate the fact that those big *** Harley's are waaaaaaay louder than any exhaust you can get for a Ferrari, but they're legal just b/c it's a bike. No tickets, but a lot of "excessive and unusual" noise... stupid standard if you ask me.
the eisenmann is loud, but I'd get it checked to see if it's over 95db. if it's not, then I'd fight the *******.
makes you rethink having a non-stock exhaust now... oh well, I'm already in that direction on the M AND I'm getting a bypass valve (sort of) as well (when it's released in April).
03-07-2007, 11:25 PM
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(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor vehicles with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
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I'm not in CA, but I agree, if you can somehow test the sound and make sure...cuz if it is not over 95db then you have a legitimate stand...and no matter what the judge will allow it. Although I don't know what this kind of exhaust sounds like, wish I did, but I'm just stating the facts....
03-08-2007, 02:07 AM
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as for going to up through appeals, I wouldn't mind taking an unjustly and unlawfully given traffic infraction all the way up to the Supreme Court. we have a justice system, why not use it to the full extent possible? I'm not advocating civil disobedience, but when you can effectively go pro hac vice for a good amount of time, why not fight?
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