rlee02135

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KLEEM...mZ320180035781

great deal if you have a M111. don't know if you need a different belt of not.

SeaCoupe

You will need a different size belt. I would tell you what size I run, but my kit also came with a smaller alternator pulley to keep the revs up on the alt.

personally, I like my Kleeman pulley. I have run it for over 50,000 miles, with no problems.

E

evo2turbo

E, Do you have this exact pulley? Is this the latest Kleemann revision?

SeaCoupe

Yes, it looks just like mine. The previous version was a two piece that had a ring pulley that mounted to the hub. This looks one piece to me. But I would ask the seller to be 100%.

evo2turbo

Alright. Here's the deal.
Seller claims it's an original KLEEMANN pulley and it does have KLEEMANN etched on it.
However, I contacted two people who recently bought it and both claim that it does not fit correctly. It sits too close to the engine, ruining the crank seal and misaligning the belts.
I'm tempted to get it and machine a spacer to bring it out to the correct spacing but it hardly seems worth the risk when you can get the proven ASP pulley for $150 more...
Just as with most things in life: You get what you pay for!

valexv

I have seen it before listed as an aftermarket pulley, not kleenmann with same pic. im just gonna go with ASP

SeaCoupe

I'll admit. When I put on a fresh serpetine belt, I do get squel until the belt mates up. Never had a crank seal issue.

E

evo2turbo

Did you buy a real Kleemann pulley or this one? Perhaps the real Kleemann pulley has the wrong offset as well?

Did you get the other pulleys that came with the Kleemann kit as well?

SeaCoupe

Uhh, its in my sig, and yes, it is a real Kleeman pulley. Says Kleeman on the ring. Yes, the kit came with an small alternator pulley to compensate and keep the alternator revs up.

E

ozoz

mine run ok so far ... no real problem except on a hot day in australia the engine idle go so erractic that the engine stopped ... not too sure what happen ... but i drove hard for 30min b4 hand ... i was bit low on fuel (reserve fuel light on) ... wonder if anyone know y?

evo2turbo

Well, I decided to go for it.
If it doesn't fit, I can simply return it. The same seller has the smaller alternator pulley for $125. So, if my voltage drops too much at idle, I will purchase it and install it as well.

I'll keep everyone posted. Hopefully it will come in time to be installed this weekend!

KIRA

does the ASP pulley or Kleemann make the engine work soo hard???

i plan to get at least 150,000miles for my coupe

SeaCoupe

Very cool Kleeman brotha from another mother. If you can, dyno your car before and after. I don't know that you have to worry about the alternator pulley. Unless you have a mega watt stereo, you may not need it. Ohh, and no way the alternator pulley is worth $125.

You may want to try running a step colder spark plug to prevent detonation.

E

splinter

You are well advised to ****** a real Kleemann pulley for that price.

E knows what he’s talking about.

evo2turbo

Thanks for your help, E.
Do you remember what size belts you're using. From what I've read, the ASP pulley uses a 56" belt, and this pulley should be very close to that.

Does the other belt stay the same size?

evo2turbo

***** UPDATE *****

Well, I received the pulley on Friday and it looks like a very high quality part. The box on the outside said it came from: Charles P Shilling & Sons, which is a machine shop in NY near where the ebay seller is. So, they are either the manufacturer that KLEEMANN uses, or they are duplicating the pulley.
The pulley has a slight purple sheen to it with the flash, but looks black in person.







I tried installing it Saturday night...Things went pretty smoothly. Buellwinkle's instructions were very helpful (Thanks!). It took about an hour to remove the air box, shields, belt and the pulley.
I then compared the OEM and the KLEEMAN pulley. Here are the results:

Weight
OEM: 9.03lbs KLEEMANN: 3.93lbs (56% lighter)

OD of S/C pulley plane:
OEM: 7.367" KLEEMANN: 8.687" (17.9% larger)

OD of acc pulley plane:
OEM: 5.766" KLEEMANN: 5.813" (0.8% larger)

S/C plane offset:
OEM: 4.114" KLEEMANN: 4.119" (Identical)




The shank that slides onto the crank is virtually identical, except that the ID is a few thousands larger on the new pulley allowing it to slide on freely instead of hard like the OEM one does.


I installed the pulley Saturday night. The only critical item is to line up the key on the crankshaft properly. If it is, the new pulley slides on very easily.

Unfortunately, I ran into two problems:

1. The S/C belt just touches the water pump pulley. It might not have even been an issue, but I decided to increase the size of the idler pulley from 2.75" to 3.2". Now it clears with no rubbing! I simply spun up a Pomalux (high quality acetol copolymer) ring and pressed/epoxied it to the idler pulley. Works like a charm!



2. Though I bought several different belt sizes, of course I didn't have the right one. I thought 56" was the required size from posts about the ASP pulley, but my 56 1/4" belt was too short.
So, I left the car apart, and went to all of the surrounding autoparts stores on Sunday morning, and naturally no one had anything close to what I needed. Autozone had a 5 rib 58 1/4 belt, but that was too long. I ended up putting the OEM pulley back on (grrr!!) and ordering a new belt yesterday.

I ordered a 57 1/2" belt (Gates PN: K060575) which fits great, though it is not tensioned quite as tight as the old belt. I'll have to keep an eye on it as it stretches to make sure it doesn't start slipping. A 57 11/32 (Gates PN: K060573) would probably be perfect.
Does anyone know what the ASP pulley diameter is? It uses a 56" belt, and I'm surprised that this one needs one that is over an inch longer. That must mean that the pulley is a bit bigger.

I got everything installed tonight in about 30 minutes and it looks great so far.




The car definitely has more power, though there seems to be a slight hesitation at certain points of the rev range. I'm guessing it's the ECU still needing to adapt to the increased boost. The supercharger whine is a little louder, which I like, though the wife is already complaining about it

So, all in all, I'm very happy so far. The pulley from ebay seems to be very high quality, but really needs the idler pulley from the KLEEMAN kit to miss the water pump pulley. This is what the other buyers on ebay are complaining about...

I will report back how it's working in a few days. I'm going on a long trip for Thanksgiving so it will be a good test

SeaCoupe

SA-weet, my Kleeman brother from another mother.

I never had a problem with the water pump pulley. I guess I need to take another look at that.

Sor Are you getting belt squeal, or rubbing?

I do remember that the learning process took some time. The car would seemingly stop to think while changing gears. Anoying, but it went away.

Dyno that Biatch! Have fun crushing other Coupes. If you are an auto, beware of the 330s. You are good up top, but off the line, it just bogs.

E

ozoz

thats very cool ... i paid about A$1000 to get the kleeman pulley and if i can DIY like u ... i'll save alot of money ... i had it for almost one yr ... so far no problem what so ever

evo2turbo

I reset the ECU again last night leaving the battery disconnected for about 40 minutes. When I was installing the pulley, I only had it off for about 5 minutes. Guess I worked too fast..
Now, the car feels much more responsive and has more power!

E, no the belts don't squeal at all. Did you install the larger idler pulley with the KLEEMANN kit?

This is by far the best bang for the buck performance mod I've ever done to a car!

rlee02135

very nice! you got a steal

spyderpig

I wonder if you need the iddler and alternator pulleys with the asp. Should you? But I never heard people talk about that with asp.

C230 Sport Coup

Wow. What a deal. That kit new was over 800.
$179? Amazing. Does this guy have anymore?

The Kleeman alt pulley is smaller? I thought it was larger since the crank pulley spins it faster, and uses more power?
The ASP doesn't have a 2nd pulley. It's not neccessary, but just like underdrive pullies, perhaps it helps put more power to the wheels.