C230 Sedan confirmed for US!
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Originally posted by tommy
Yeah, what he said!
Actually, if you're really a performance nut, wouldn't you go for the z instead of the g35? Smaller, lighter, a couple of extra ponies, and much cheaper than the g.
Yeah, what he said!
Actually, if you're really a performance nut, wouldn't you go for the z instead of the g35? Smaller, lighter, a couple of extra ponies, and much cheaper than the g.
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Originally posted by tommy
Yeah, what he said!
Actually, if you're really a performance nut, wouldn't you go for the z instead of the g35? Smaller, lighter, a couple of extra ponies, and much cheaper than the g.
Yeah, what he said!
Actually, if you're really a performance nut, wouldn't you go for the z instead of the g35? Smaller, lighter, a couple of extra ponies, and much cheaper than the g.
However, some people want or need the rear seat. Also, while I personally like the way the 350Z looks, in many ways the G35 is nicer looking. Has a nice balance, particularly the back end.
Ugly exterior on the G35??? I think this is hard to call "ugly"
The interior is better in person than in the pictures.
17 inch wheels (optional 18s), big Brembos, a 280 hp engine that is universally considered one of the best engines in the world. Its one of the few cars that after you've really been in it and driven it, the price seems too low. Reverse sticker shock, in a way.
If you haven't driven both, you can't really compare. I would like to have comments from some that have actually driven (be honest!) the G35, then chose the C230.
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Originally posted by MacPhisto
I personally would go for the 350Z over the G35. The 350Z Track model is a fabulous car. You really have to drive it to believe it. Unless you have driven it - you should refrain from comments.
I personally would go for the 350Z over the G35. The 350Z Track model is a fabulous car. You really have to drive it to believe it. Unless you have driven it - you should refrain from comments.
And I've sat in the G35 at the car show, and it seemed to me that it was cheap like our old 94 Honda. Exterior style is also a subjective issue...
The point is, I know that I get my *** kicked in a race, and probably in canyon run, but when do you ever do that when you live in the city? The priorities are to look good, be comfortable, and handle well. The C230 does all of that and I would say it does it better than the G35.
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Originally posted by AndrewK
The point is, I know that I get my *** kicked in a race, and probably in canyon run, but when do you ever do that when you live in city? The priority are to look good, be comfortable, and handle well. The C230 does all of that and I would say it does it better than the G35.
The point is, I know that I get my *** kicked in a race, and probably in canyon run, but when do you ever do that when you live in city? The priority are to look good, be comfortable, and handle well. The C230 does all of that and I would say it does it better than the G35.
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Originally posted by MacPhisto
Although the title of the post is "C230 Sedan Confirmed for US," I do not consider the C230 sedan confirmed in the US. Not based on that post.
I personally doubt it will happen. So, if anyone is taking bets, you can put my money on "It Ain't Gonna Happen."
Although the title of the post is "C230 Sedan Confirmed for US," I do not consider the C230 sedan confirmed in the US. Not based on that post.
I personally doubt it will happen. So, if anyone is taking bets, you can put my money on "It Ain't Gonna Happen."
MacPhisto, do you ever have anything positive to say? This information is directly from MB with pictures and info and everything. This car IS going to be built. Just because I don't know when does not mean that it won't happen. You can be as negative as you want to be, but you're wrong. When I say confirmed, it's confirmed. We already knew that it was coming to Canada based on someone else's posts. Just accept the fact that you don't always know everything.
You can either apologize now for your ignorance or when you see the car with your own eyes, or even never for all I care. But don't think that just because it doesn't come from your mouth that it isn't true. MB wouldn't release information about this car to dealers and then not build it. Sometimes this info isn't even released until the cars are already being built. So if they release this, it means it is going to happen. Deal with it.
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Yes, lets get back on topic. BTW I'll throw in a cheap shot while I'm at it, MacPhisto is reflecting bad on tommy (being his role model). If I was role-modeling and this was the result I would be embarrassed.
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Originally posted by Matt230K
This car IS going to be built. Just because I don't know when does not mean that it won't happen. You can be as negative as you want to be, but you're wrong. When I say confirmed, it's confirmed. We already knew that it was coming to Canada based on someone else's posts. Just accept the fact that you don't always know everything.
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This car IS going to be built. Just because I don't know when does not mean that it won't happen. You can be as negative as you want to be, but you're wrong. When I say confirmed, it's confirmed. We already knew that it was coming to Canada based on someone else's posts. Just accept the fact that you don't always know everything.
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I only said 1) I don't think it makes sense (but that's just me), for the reasons I gave, and 2) that I personally will believe it when I hear about it from what I personally consider a reliable source. That very well could happen - but hasn't happened yet.
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Originally posted by AndrewK
Yes, lets get back on topic. BTW I'll throw in a cheap shot while I'm at it, MacPhisto is reflecting bad on tommy (being his role model). If I was role-modeling and this was the result I would be embarrassed.
Yes, lets get back on topic. BTW I'll throw in a cheap shot while I'm at it, MacPhisto is reflecting bad on tommy (being his role model). If I was role-modeling and this was the result I would be embarrassed.
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Originally posted by MacPhisto
2) that I personally will believe it when I hear about it from what I personally consider a reliable source. That very well could happen - but hasn't happened yet.
2) that I personally will believe it when I hear about it from what I personally consider a reliable source. That very well could happen - but hasn't happened yet.
And you didn't say that you knew for sure that it wasn't coming, but you placed serious doubts on it, even when the info comes from MB. So again, what other source do you want to hear this from before you can be persuaded?
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Originally posted by Matt230K
You don't consider MB to be a reliable source on when they will release their own products?
And you didn't say that you knew for sure that it wasn't coming, but you placed serious doubts on it, even when the info comes from MB. So again, what other source do you want to hear this from before you can be persuaded?
You don't consider MB to be a reliable source on when they will release their own products?
And you didn't say that you knew for sure that it wasn't coming, but you placed serious doubts on it, even when the info comes from MB. So again, what other source do you want to hear this from before you can be persuaded?
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Originally posted by MacPhisto
Why? Am I not at Tommy-levels of obnoxiousness? If not, I guess I am embarrassed . . .
Why? Am I not at Tommy-levels of obnoxiousness? If not, I guess I am embarrassed . . .
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Originally posted by AndrewK
Matt is saying that HE heared it from MB, if you were to read his first post.
Matt is saying that HE heared it from MB, if you were to read his first post.
That is called "hearsay."
Unlike a lot of you, I don't automatically believe all second hand information that I read on the Internet.
Again, I'm not saying it won't happen. When I see it myself from what I consider a reliable source, I'll believe it.
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Originally posted by MacPhisto
I didn't hear it from MB.
I didn't hear it from MB.
And the other person who confirmed it in Canada was lying too. This must be a car that MB never thought about building, since they didn't call you to confirm it first.
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Originally posted by AndrewK
I never considered many of tommy's posts to be obnoxious.
I never considered many of tommy's posts to be obnoxious.
I don't think Tommy himself will deny his obnoxiousness.
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Originally posted by Matt230K
So I guess you think that I am lying to you then? Is that right?
And the other person who confirmed it in Canada was lying too. This must be a car that MB never thought about building, since they didn't call you to confirm it first.
So I guess you think that I am lying to you then? Is that right?
And the other person who confirmed it in Canada was lying too. This must be a car that MB never thought about building, since they didn't call you to confirm it first.
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Originally posted by MacPhisto
Unlike a lot of you, I don't automatically believe all second hand information that I read on the Internet.
Unlike a lot of you, I don't automatically believe all second hand information that I read on the Internet.
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Originally posted by Matt230K
So I guess you think that I am lying to you then? Is that right?
And the other person who confirmed it in Canada was lying too. This must be a car that MB never thought about building, since they didn't call you to confirm it first.
So I guess you think that I am lying to you then? Is that right?
And the other person who confirmed it in Canada was lying too. This must be a car that MB never thought about building, since they didn't call you to confirm it first.
People are mistaken, misinformed, etc. all the time. Doesn't mean they are lying.
I'm not saying you are right or wrong - I'm just saying I don't know enough about you or what you saw to satisfy to me that MB is going to send a 1.8 sedan to the US.
As far as MB building the car, that wouldn't surprise me at all. I wouldn't be surprised if they already do for non-US markets. I also wouldn't be surprised if they were to sell it in Canada.
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If I had heard it by word of mouth, I would not say that I am sure it will be built. But since I saw official printed information with pictures like they release for every car they build, I am confident in saying that it will actually be built. I have no doubts, whether you do or not.
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Originally posted by Matt230K
If I had heard it by word of mouth, I would not say that I am sure it will be built. But since I saw official printed information with pictures like they release for every car they build, I am confident in saying that it will actually be built. I have no doubts, whether you do or not.
If I had heard it by word of mouth, I would not say that I am sure it will be built. But since I saw official printed information with pictures like they release for every car they build, I am confident in saying that it will actually be built. I have no doubts, whether you do or not.
Why don't you post a copy of what you saw? That would be interesting to see.
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Originally posted by MacPhisto
I think that about sums it up.
Why don't you post a copy of what you saw? That would be interesting to see.
I think that about sums it up.
Why don't you post a copy of what you saw? That would be interesting to see.
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I'm coming in late on this one, but...
1) To the person who stated the C240 is for "old people", ladies, etc: Remember, it was the only C sedan available w/ 6-spd prior to 2003. I bought one because I wanted a 6-spd and didn't want a two-door coupe, hatch, etc. To all you C230 guys who have driven only an auto C240, go drive a 6-spd-- a totally different car.
2) Power is not the only consideration when buying a car -- you "younguns" seem to place all your chips on power/speed. Some people want a sedan and the sportiness of a manual trans. I chose the C240 over a BMW 325i for many other factors than power -- we've said this many times -- the MB is a little more luxury oriented while the Bimmer is more toward sport.
3) I agree that a 4-cylinder will not be acceptable in a C-sedan. Although I haven't yet test driven the new 1.8, the 2.3 was ROUGH and unrefined compared to the 2.6 V-6. Some people on this board have said they don't think the 230 is so different from the V6. Go drive it again, NO COMPARISON. Perhaps the 1.8 comes closer, but I won't believe it until I drive it.
4) These are only my opinions :p
1) To the person who stated the C240 is for "old people", ladies, etc: Remember, it was the only C sedan available w/ 6-spd prior to 2003. I bought one because I wanted a 6-spd and didn't want a two-door coupe, hatch, etc. To all you C230 guys who have driven only an auto C240, go drive a 6-spd-- a totally different car.
2) Power is not the only consideration when buying a car -- you "younguns" seem to place all your chips on power/speed. Some people want a sedan and the sportiness of a manual trans. I chose the C240 over a BMW 325i for many other factors than power -- we've said this many times -- the MB is a little more luxury oriented while the Bimmer is more toward sport.
3) I agree that a 4-cylinder will not be acceptable in a C-sedan. Although I haven't yet test driven the new 1.8, the 2.3 was ROUGH and unrefined compared to the 2.6 V-6. Some people on this board have said they don't think the 230 is so different from the V6. Go drive it again, NO COMPARISON. Perhaps the 1.8 comes closer, but I won't believe it until I drive it.
4) These are only my opinions :p
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No one was claiming that the 2.3 was smooth, its pretty rough.
I agree about the power issue, but given a segment in the market its competing in (entry-level sports sedan), its a necessary factor for profitability.
I agree about the power issue, but given a segment in the market its competing in (entry-level sports sedan), its a necessary factor for profitability.
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Originally posted by MarkL
Power is not the only consideration when buying a car --
Power is not the only consideration when buying a car --
Esp. the many C230 automatic drivers here.
(Everything else you said makes good sense to me).
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Originally posted by AndrewK
No one was claiming that the 2.3 was smooth, its pretty rough.
I agree about the power issue, but given a segment in the market its competing in (entry-level sports sedan), its a necessary factor for profitability.
No one was claiming that the 2.3 was smooth, its pretty rough.
I agree about the power issue, but given a segment in the market its competing in (entry-level sports sedan), its a necessary factor for profitability.
The C240 is the most popular seller in the C class line.
Why is putting in a 1.8 liter 4 cylinder necessary for profitability??
