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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 06:03 PM
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Active front projectors

I have these on my car and have thought about painting the headlight housing body color... how hard / safe is it to take them apart? I have done this to my other vehicles before but I guess these just worry about taking these apart since they are active and expensive.
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 06:26 PM
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check the DYI sticky up there. c24owner did this to his bix with no problem many times, and they look sick. as for it affecting the active projectos (does this mean it auto-levels?), someone with more knowledge should help you out.
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 06:33 PM
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Yeah they were a factory option on my car... the projector turns when I turn and levels when I go up hills... aparently these headlights arn't that common a lot of C-Class drivers ask me about them... i'm scared to take them apart... I'll check them out this weekend and see how easy / difficult it is and examen the risk... the regulator already went out on one of them thank god it was covered by warrenty!
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by n00bert
Yeah they were a factory option on my car... the projector turns when I turn and levels when I go up hills... aparently these headlights arn't that common a lot of C-Class drivers ask me about them... i'm scared to take them apart... I'll check them out this weekend and see how easy / difficult it is and examen the risk... the regulator already went out on one of them thank god it was covered by warrenty!
sorry dude, but you're mistaken. "active" lights never, ever were an option for the w203. they were available for the w209 CLK, but not the w203.

you have self-leveling bi-xenon headlights (which people here refer to as "BIX"). they will not turn when you turn, they'll level (up and down by not much), but that's it.

they're pretty common around these parts.

many people have done what you want to do, you should be fine.

good luck.
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 06:47 PM
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ok thanks for clearing that up for me all I knew is that they move up and down when I turn on the car
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 06:48 PM
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ok thanks for clearing that up for me all I knew is that they move up and down when I turn on the car
np, that's about all they'll do, they're not active like on other cars. I wish they were active, that would be pretty cool.
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 06:49 PM
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So it's perfectly safe to take them apart? I have never actually studied the way they are put together... is there a DIY I can look at?
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 07:26 PM
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if you do paint them...please don't paint them black, then they'll look like ebay projectors
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 07:30 PM
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if you do paint them...please don't paint them black, then they'll look like ebay projectors

No I want them body color... the boyfriend and I have a compressor and gun so it would be done with auto paint I'm going to have some left over paint so I mine as well use it.
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 07:54 PM
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sorry dude, but you're mistaken. "active" lights never, ever were an option for the w203. they were available for the w209 CLK, but not the w203.

you have self-leveling bi-xenon headlights (which people here refer to as "BIX"). they will not turn when you turn, they'll level (up and down by not much), but that's it.

they're pretty common around these parts.

many people have done what you want to do, you should be fine.

good luck.
i like the non auto leveling better though, so you can give off that purple and blue flicker.

sometimes i think progress takes something away too.
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by n00bert
So it's perfectly safe to take them apart? I have never actually studied the way they are put together... is there a DIY I can look at?
lol, if you read my post, i said that there was a DIY sticky up on the w203 main page. then just look for the Bi-Xenon tutorial
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TemjinX2
i like the non auto leveling better though, so you can give off that purple and blue flicker.

sometimes i think progress takes something away too.
that has nothing to do with the leveling
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mu9enx
lol, if you read my post, i said that there was a DIY sticky up on the w203 main page. then just look for the Bi-Xenon tutorial
Sorry i'm at work so I get distracted and miss details sometimes
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 08:38 PM
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Sorry i'm at work so I get distracted and miss details sometimes
haha, it's okay. i'm always on mbworld when i'm at work too.
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 08:54 PM
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haha, it's okay. i'm always on mbworld when i'm at work too.
I get paid to be online (kinda) i'm a receptionist at an Acura dealer... there is nothing to do half the time lol
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I get paid to be online (kinda) i'm a receptionist at an Acura dealer... there is nothing to do half the time lol
haha, take pics of NSX's for me
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 09:18 PM
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We don't have any but if i'm still here by 2010 for the new one I will do that lol
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 01:34 PM
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I have Bix and took it apart a year ago or so. Not so bad, it was pretty easy.
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 02:08 PM
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Ive done the color match twice with zero problems.

Use this DIY to help you take them apart.

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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 02:10 PM
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thanks for the help guys! i'll see if i have enough time this weekend between my other projects
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by e1000
that has nothing to do with the leveling
the purple and blue flicker you see, usually results from when the car drives over imperfections on the road to cause the cut off from the projector to move above its predetermined height and hit your eye rather then the bumper.

Depending on which angle you see the cut off, your brain chooses to see purple or blue even though the light is yellow.


I assume the defination of auto leveling lights

Auto leveling apparatus of vehicle headlamp

United States Patent 6693380

In an auto leveling apparatus of vehicle headlamp including a headlamp of which a light axis tilts up and down in relation to a car body by drive of a motor, a control unit for controlling the drive of the motor, a speed sensor for detecting speed, a pitch angle sensor for detecting pitch angle, and a memory for storing the pitch angle data detected by the pitch angle sensor, in which the control unit controls the drive of the motor, on the basis of the pitch angle data detected by the pitch angle sensor, so that the light axis of the headlamp has the constant inclination in relation to a road surface, the control unit controls the drive of the motor only in case that a posture (pitch angle data) that has changed once during stoppage becomes stable and the difference between its posture and a reference posture (reference pitch angle data) exceeds the predetermined value. Therefore, according to reduction of the number of operations of the motor, durability of the motor itself is improved.

Hence a device they keeps the cutoff at the predetermined height will prevent flicker since flicker is the result of the cut off leaving its predetermined height.

Therefore it is related to auto leveling. Auto Leveling is good for oncoming traffic but loses some of the high end image hids project with the changing colors in the distance then becoming yellow when you drive past them.

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a quarter mile at a time
they don't adjust that fast, especially not over bumps.

You're on the right track but you're a bit misguided. The blue or yellow hues are determined by where the cutoff shield is in relation to the projector focal length. You can bend the shield a bit to get a more bluer or yellower cutoff. Again, the autoleveling isn't fast enough to react to things like bumps in the road.

Plus.....I'm pretty sure all factory HID equiped cars must also be auto-leveling and have a headlamp washing system

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they don't adjust that fast, especially not over bumps.

You're on the right track but you're a bit misguided. The blue or yellow hues are determined by where the cutoff shield is in relation to the projector focal length. You can bend the shield a bit to get a more bluer or yellower cutoff. Again, the autoleveling isn't fast enough to react to things like bumps in the road.

Plus.....I'm pretty sure all factory HID equiped cars must also be auto-leveling and have a headlamp washing system
you are correct about color at the cut off. I was talking about color from the flicker.

Flicker is glare from the cut off when it hits the human eye, usually via bumps in the road. The human brain only has a second to determine the color, so it picks the color thats dominates at the time from the color spectrum of the cut off.

perfect example would be a ap1 s2000. Drive in front of a 2000-2004 s2000 on a bumpy road and you will understand what i mean. The stock cut off is white, but when it flickers, it flickers blue, purple and yellow.

Your are incorrect on the auto leveling. Auto leveling was specifically designed to keep the cut off at stock level to prevent flicker. Flicker looks great, but can be distracting to other drivers on the road since its a form of glare, hence why its considered a safety feature and only come on hid lights not halogens.

Manufacturers have replaced clear lens with fresnel ones to soften the cut off and reduce flicker.

I believe it might be required to have auto level lights in Europe. I know its not required in the US. The s2000 and last gen tsx did not have auto leveling lights.
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