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C230K vs C200K vs C180K

Old Jan 19, 2003 | 04:44 PM
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C230K vs C200K vs C180K

It has been said many times in this forum that these engines are in fact the same engine, but with different degrees of tuning, C230K having the highest boost and C180K - the lowest of the 3.
Now, I just checked the MB Germany website and did a comparison of the three: turns out, they all have different compression ratios:

C230K - 8.7
C200K - 9.5
C180K - 10.2

It makes sense since their boost pressures are different, but doesn't this also mean that their heads are different?
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Old Jan 19, 2003 | 04:54 PM
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I would guess that the difference in compression ratios is due to the piston designs. That would be a far more economical solution than the alternative. The M271 was all about saving money, so my hypothesis would fit
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Old Jan 19, 2003 | 04:59 PM
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Re: C230K vs C200K vs C180K

I didn't catch these data before but with 8.7 CR does it really require premium gas (high octane) for the C230K? Normally engine with 9.1 or higher would require the 93+ octane.

Am I wrong ???




Originally posted by vadim
It has been said many times in this forum that these engines are in fact the same engine, but with different degrees of tuning, C230K having the highest boost and C180K - the lowest of the 3.
Now, I just checked the MB Germany website and did a comparison of the three: turns out, they all have different compression ratios:

C230K - 8.7
C200K - 9.5
C180K - 10.2

It makes sense since their boost pressures are different, but doesn't this also mean that their heads are different?
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Old Jan 19, 2003 | 05:02 PM
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Re: Re: C230K vs C200K vs C180K

Originally posted by Benzer
I didn't catch these data before but with 8.7 CR does it really require premium gas (high octane) for the C230K? Normally engine with 9.1 or higher would require the 93+ octane.

Am I wrong ???
This would be true in case of N/A engine - forced induction changes the picture.
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Old Jan 19, 2003 | 07:03 PM
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Re: Re: Re: C230K vs C200K vs C180K

Originally posted by vadim
This would be true in case of N/A engine - forced induction changes the picture.
comparison chart for calculating effective compression ratio for supercharged engines...

http://www.goodvibesracing.com/Compression%20Ratio.htm

Most likely they keep the effective comp ratio similar in all the 1.8 engines using a piston change as already stated. The higher comp ratio allowed with lower boost gives better efficiency; fuel mileage, throttle response and power can be optimized for each boost level.

Just throwing boost at a C180 is gonna cause a big can of worms to be opened. Max boost will be lower than a C230 can handle so power will be limited by that. If a lot of boost is run, most of the cal would have to be reworked; spark pulled out, fuel added to maintain temps due to the lower spark. It would be relatively fat and lazy compared to a C230 and never reach the same power level without better fuel being used.
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