ASP Update
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The clk isnt goin out till the snows gone at least 
Its a 99, and I only have 18000 miles on it so far. I had amg chrome wheels from the clk 430 on it, but i stole them and put them on my car temporarily cuz i got bubbles in the 2 rears from potholes.
Hopefully when it gets nicer I can do that, and get the pulley but for now im screwed.
Whats the cheapest a stock pulley can be had for?
I would just buy one if its reasonable, do the upgrade, and save my original to sell to someone not wanting to wait hehe
Its a 99, and I only have 18000 miles on it so far. I had amg chrome wheels from the clk 430 on it, but i stole them and put them on my car temporarily cuz i got bubbles in the 2 rears from potholes. Hopefully when it gets nicer I can do that, and get the pulley but for now im screwed.
Whats the cheapest a stock pulley can be had for?
I would just buy one if its reasonable, do the upgrade, and save my original to sell to someone not wanting to wait hehe
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From: The blue white rock, third out.
2002 C230 Coupe(M111)
Originally posted by tommy
Buell, that's not right. If they're the same quality, then the same relative # of people will have a problem. Both pulleys should be just as likely to have a problem, ie, if out of the 50 ASP pulley people, 10 have problems, then 2.4 (don't know how you get 4/10's of a person - maybe she's pregnant?) should have a problem with their Kleemann, to use your numbers.
Buell, that's not right. If they're the same quality, then the same relative # of people will have a problem. Both pulleys should be just as likely to have a problem, ie, if out of the 50 ASP pulley people, 10 have problems, then 2.4 (don't know how you get 4/10's of a person - maybe she's pregnant?) should have a problem with their Kleemann, to use your numbers.
Not saying anything about anyone's skills, but there might be something to all Kleemann pulleys being professionally installed.
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Originally posted by tommy
Not saying anything about anyone's skills, but there might be something to all Kleemann pulleys being professionally installed.
Not saying anything about anyone's skills, but there might be something to all Kleemann pulleys being professionally installed.
Well, I had the help of an MB tech. But he wasn't really helping me, just there for guidance when I needed it. He was doing other things too. And I haven't had any problems.
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From: Laguna Niguel, CA
Originally posted by x15jq
So they wont be stocking pulleys with dampners I assume right? It will purley be just send in your stock pulley and get it done?
So they wont be stocking pulleys with dampners I assume right? It will purley be just send in your stock pulley and get it done?
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From: The blue white rock, third out.
2002 C230 Coupe(M111)
Originally posted by vadim
Now, wait a minute... Did you also say "I told you so!" to Kleemann? Their all-alloy pulley is essentially the same - and prone to the same damage, if anything.
I was one of the first on this board to install the pulley, so it's been a long time, and the car has been driven very hard. Last Sunday I took my pulley off - it was in good shape, no signs of damage. What I'm trying to say is - so far there has been only one case of broken pulley (Jeff's), yet a lot of people jumped into speculating and making generalizations, accusing ASP of lack of class. I'm not sure how many alloy pulleys Kleemann has sold so far, but that single failure could have been theirs just as easily.
Now, wait a minute... Did you also say "I told you so!" to Kleemann? Their all-alloy pulley is essentially the same - and prone to the same damage, if anything.
I was one of the first on this board to install the pulley, so it's been a long time, and the car has been driven very hard. Last Sunday I took my pulley off - it was in good shape, no signs of damage. What I'm trying to say is - so far there has been only one case of broken pulley (Jeff's), yet a lot of people jumped into speculating and making generalizations, accusing ASP of lack of class. I'm not sure how many alloy pulleys Kleemann has sold so far, but that single failure could have been theirs just as easily.
The tuner market that so many of you desire for the C230's will never develop if the attitude becomes- well, I'm not taking any more chances.
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Well said Outland.
Just one more thing about the new ring style pulley, it's not really all new, he's has been making them for a few months now and some people have them in their cars already.
Just one more thing about the new ring style pulley, it's not really all new, he's has been making them for a few months now and some people have them in their cars already.
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I don't think the market segment it going to suffer over a few people here who denounce pulleys. I just figured I'd get the pulley until the IF's are answered regarding the lysholm conversion. Came over here and spotted this thread
Anyone do a comparision of the coefficiencies of the materials between both kleemann and asp. Is it possible that different grade materials or varying grades in materials being used causing the isolated failures after 200 miles verses Buell's flawless 12k?
Is there anyway to improve the ASP steal hub pulley instead of press fitting new belt groves on to a machined stock pulley?
Anyone do a comparision of the coefficiencies of the materials between both kleemann and asp. Is it possible that different grade materials or varying grades in materials being used causing the isolated failures after 200 miles verses Buell's flawless 12k?
Is there anyway to improve the ASP steal hub pulley instead of press fitting new belt groves on to a machined stock pulley?
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It is possible that variations in supplies of T6061 aluminum caused a failure but ASP is siding with the people that believe the damper is required and feels the vibration of a solid pulley was too great so he's not going to take anymore risks in trying to design the perfect solid pulley and I don't blame him. He never wanted to make a solid pulley in the first place, I convinced him because of a poll done about a year ago where most people wanted a solid alloy pulley vs. a ring type to save weight and get maximum performance. I believed this for a long time but in dyno's I've seen of both types I can conclude that the performance difference is not there. Imagine the effects of a 5 lbs. difference on the crankshaft when on the other side of the crankshaft is a 50 lbs. flywheel, clutch, transmission gears, driveshaft, rear end gears, 2 axles shafts and wheels and tires, all spining with the crank shaft to make rear wheel horse power.
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From: Abingdon, MD
Originally posted by Buellwinkle
It is possible that variations in supplies of T6061 aluminum caused a failure but ASP is siding with the people that believe the damper is required and feels the vibration of a solid pulley was too great so he's not going to take anymore risks in trying to design the perfect solid pulley and I don't blame him. He never wanted to make a solid pulley in the first place, I convinced him because of a poll done about a year ago where most people wanted a solid alloy pulley vs. a ring type to save weight and get maximum performance. I believed this for a long time but in dyno's I've seen of both types I can conclude that the performance difference is not there. Imagine the effects of a 5 lbs. difference on the crankshaft when on the other side of the crankshaft is a 50 lbs. flywheel, clutch, transmission gears, driveshaft, rear end gears, 2 axles shafts and wheels and tires, all spining with the crank shaft to make rear wheel horse power.
It is possible that variations in supplies of T6061 aluminum caused a failure but ASP is siding with the people that believe the damper is required and feels the vibration of a solid pulley was too great so he's not going to take anymore risks in trying to design the perfect solid pulley and I don't blame him. He never wanted to make a solid pulley in the first place, I convinced him because of a poll done about a year ago where most people wanted a solid alloy pulley vs. a ring type to save weight and get maximum performance. I believed this for a long time but in dyno's I've seen of both types I can conclude that the performance difference is not there. Imagine the effects of a 5 lbs. difference on the crankshaft when on the other side of the crankshaft is a 50 lbs. flywheel, clutch, transmission gears, driveshaft, rear end gears, 2 axles shafts and wheels and tires, all spining with the crank shaft to make rear wheel horse power.
Ouch. So is the KLEEMANN pulley a solid pulley?
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2002 C230 Coupe
Originally posted by Buellwinkle
Just one more thing about the new ring style pulley, it's not really all new, he's has been making them for a few months now and some people have them in their cars already.
Just one more thing about the new ring style pulley, it's not really all new, he's has been making them for a few months now and some people have them in their cars already.
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From: MI
2003 C230K, 6 spd, Brilliant Silver, C-5, C-7, CD changer
Originally posted by Outland
Unlikely. This isn't brain surgery. And IIRC, both known failures were attributed to failures of the material/design...not them coming loose.
Unlikely. This isn't brain surgery. And IIRC, both known failures were attributed to failures of the material/design...not them coming loose.
There is no law of physics that states the failure has to be attributed to one reason, it's very likely a combination of factors contributed to the start of the crack causing the failure, a stack-up of tolerances can be deadly and from the things (facts?) I've seen posted here, I suspect a combination of factors.
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From: Laguna Niguel, CA
Originally posted by 20FHK02
I've already started to forget some of the details after this long going "discussion"... Is the press on ring steel or aluminum? I guess it is steel otherwise it won't be easy to weld. Am I correct??
I've already started to forget some of the details after this long going "discussion"... Is the press on ring steel or aluminum? I guess it is steel otherwise it won't be easy to weld. Am I correct??
