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Old Mar 15, 2003 | 07:22 PM
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Recall on pulley

I just received a phonecall about a recall on the pulley for '02 C230's. Does anyone know anything about this. I haven't heard the message yet, nor have I contacted them yet. Buellwinkle, you know anything about this?
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Old Mar 15, 2003 | 08:14 PM
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Old news, send in your factory pulley and he'll press on a ring, similar to Vaeth and Renntech and refund you $150 on top of that.
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Old Mar 15, 2003 | 08:16 PM
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i got that same phone call to and i dont even have the pulley.



Seems pretty strange that the solid and now steel hub pulley are both having problems.


Was there a thread about this that i missed?
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Old Mar 15, 2003 | 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by BlackC230Coupe
Was there a thread about this that i missed?
Yes, it turns out the vibration is too great from not having a damper. Lee is fed up and is taking every precaution to make sure new pulley that uses the factory damper is rock solid. He starts with your factory pulley, machines the outer plane grooves flat and presses on a pulley ring like Renntech. Then to make sure it never comes off, it's welded on like Vaeth and then sent to a balancer to re-balance the assembly back to factory specs. The people that said the damper is necessary were right.
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Old Mar 15, 2003 | 09:04 PM
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so this....

since i've driven over 13,000 miles and taken a complete trip across the country with the pulley on, should I keep my asp on and send in my factory and accept the risk? does anyone know how long it takes to get the factory back? is there a notable difference in power with the ring, or is it similar to the larger pulley?
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Old Mar 15, 2003 | 09:11 PM
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Re: so this....

Originally posted by boylinator
does anyone know how long it takes to get the factory back?
Lee told me about 2 weeks.
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Old Mar 16, 2003 | 12:46 AM
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Originally posted by Buellwinkle
The people that said the damper is necessary were right.
Wow. i never thought i would hear that.

So how is kleemann solid pulley doin fine? and has been fine for years?
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Old Mar 16, 2003 | 01:51 AM
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Wow. i never thought i would hear that.

So how is kleemann solid pulley doin fine? and has been fine for years?
Kleemann's solid alloy pulley has not been around for years - its history is shorter than that of ASP's.
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Old Mar 16, 2003 | 03:00 AM
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Wow. i never thought i would hear that.
Yea... Now I am a believer too, and learn it the hard way. :p
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Old Mar 16, 2003 | 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by BlackC230Coupe
Wow. i never thought i would hear that.

So how is kleemann solid pulley doin fine? and has been fine for years?
The KLEEMANN solid pulley has been around in various forms, for years. The C230 Coupe specific pulley was available days after the ASP, due in large part to testing it before releasing it to the public. Our pulleys are made by the leading supplier of alloy performance pulleys, their track record is excellent. Their material selection is proprietary so I will not share it with you. Suffice to say there are many types of "6061" aluminum.

All these references to the damper only illustrate that there is STILL a misunderstanding as to what it does. The damper is not there to make the pulley last longer, or in any way structural to its design. The damper is there to counter act twisting cycles in the CRANK that are inherent to a I4 design. Of course if the pulley itself is weak, or somehow compramised in design, it may very well brake as a result of ANY forces present it a I4 engine. This is a dead horse so I wont spend anymore time on it.

Yes, it turns out the vibration is too great from not having a damper. Lee is fed up and is taking every precaution to make sure new pulley that uses the factory damper is rock solid. He starts with your factory pulley, machines the outer plane grooves flat and presses on a pulley ring like Renntech. Then to make sure it never comes off, it's welded on like Vaeth and then sent to a balancer to re-balance the assembly back to factory specs. The people that said the damper is necessary were right.

Im glad ASP stands behind its products, any good company will. Lee has probably lost his shirt on the two original pulley designs and picking up the repairs on the cars effected. Kudos to he and his company.
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Old Mar 16, 2003 | 02:40 PM
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So are you saying that us Kleemann owners have nothing to worry about?? Or at least not the same worries as the ASP guys?
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Old Mar 16, 2003 | 03:20 PM
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Many people still have the original ASP all alloy pulley without any problems and some even don't want to switch to the all steel one. So chances are nothing will happen to them or the Kleemann one. Some of the original ASP pulleys have over 15K miles on them. I know I'll have more confidence in the modified factory pulley after what happened.
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Old Mar 16, 2003 | 06:12 PM
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So are you saying that us Kleemann owners have nothing to worry about?? Or at least not the same worries as the ASP guys?
We have had no catasrophic failures of the alloy pullies. You do not have the same worries as the others.
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Old Mar 16, 2003 | 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by vadim
Kleemann's solid alloy pulley has not been around for years - its history is shorter than that of ASP's.
I was not just talking about the c230 pulley, i was talking about the SLK230/C230 sedan pulleys.

Which have been around for sometime.
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Old Mar 16, 2003 | 11:45 PM
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I was not just talking about the c230 pulley, i was talking about the SLK230/C230 sedan pulleys.

Which have been around for sometime.
It's a bit pointless to compare the Kleemann SLK alloy pulley to the ASP CL203 one - they are different beasts; their stress patterns are more than likely different, too. Apples to oranges.
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Old Mar 17, 2003 | 09:13 AM
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It's a bit pointless to compare the Kleemann SLK alloy pulley to the ASP CL203 one - they are different beasts; their stress patterns are more than likely different, too. Apples to oranges.
On a completely different matter: I see you have Stage I HID4LESS assemblies. What configuration of parts and programming did you wind up using? We have gone back and forth with HID4LESS, trying their BMW resistors, different ballasts etc. (of course reprogramming the ECU for Xenon) and could not get a 2002 C230K coupe to accept the lights. Ultimately we returned the parts to HID4LESS and they told us they rarely work on a C class. Will you share your set up specs?
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Old Mar 17, 2003 | 11:41 PM
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I think I have something to do with it...

Yes, it turns out the vibration is too great from not having a damper. Lee is fed up and is taking every precaution to make sure new pulley that uses the factory damper is rock solid. He starts with your factory pulley, machines the outer plane grooves flat and presses on a pulley ring like Renntech. Then to make sure it never comes off, it's welded on like Vaeth and then sent to a balancer to re-balance the assembly back to factory specs. The people that said the damper is necessary were right.
<p> I had a new pulley ordered from my dealer, shipped it to Lee @ ASP to do the ring and he did an excellent job. See pic below... Well, I am gonna sell it to get $$$ for the COMMAND system upgrade. Any takers???
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Old Mar 17, 2003 | 11:54 PM
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What's the diameter? Just checking to see if it's the same as before.
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Old Mar 18, 2003 | 12:07 PM
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soo...

lets say I dont have any pulley..

How Much for the Kleeman Alloy pulley (is it avaibleyet?)?

and how much for the ASP pulley?
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Old Mar 18, 2003 | 12:55 PM
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It's nice to see that Buellwinkle can admit that I and the others were right! Maybe he'll listen more often, nah!
The Kleemann solid pulley is $900 and the ring is $599. I'd go with them as the have a long track record.
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Old Mar 18, 2003 | 12:57 PM
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From what I understand, the Kleemann all alloy pulley is $899 and the ASP fully using your factory pulley is $200, using a new factory pulley it's about $500.
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