common issues on 2006-2007 w203s
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Jan 07, 2009
P-B-27.00/38e
Revision: Addition of Bullet Pertaining to 722.930 NAG2V Sport Transmission (page 2)
All Models Equipped with 722.9 NAG2 (7G-Tronic) Transmission
All Warrantable Model Years
Pre-Authorization for Transmission and Valve Body Replacement
Required for Warranty Replacement Only
Dec 04, 2008
S-B-27.00/112
All Model Vehicles Equipped with 722.9 Transmission- 7G-Tronic (NAG2)
Hard 1-2 Shift and/or Hard Torque Converter Lockup Clutch Engagement
Nov 20, 2008
S-B-27.60/61j
Revision: Complete Procedure Revised
All Models Equipped with 7G-Tronic Transmission (NAG2)
Uncomfortable Shift Quality of 1-2, 3-2 and 2-1 Gear Shifts
P-B-27.00/38e
Revision: Addition of Bullet Pertaining to 722.930 NAG2V Sport Transmission (page 2)
All Models Equipped with 722.9 NAG2 (7G-Tronic) Transmission
All Warrantable Model Years
Pre-Authorization for Transmission and Valve Body Replacement
Required for Warranty Replacement Only
Dec 04, 2008
S-B-27.00/112
All Model Vehicles Equipped with 722.9 Transmission- 7G-Tronic (NAG2)
Hard 1-2 Shift and/or Hard Torque Converter Lockup Clutch Engagement
Nov 20, 2008
S-B-27.60/61j
Revision: Complete Procedure Revised
All Models Equipped with 7G-Tronic Transmission (NAG2)
Uncomfortable Shift Quality of 1-2, 3-2 and 2-1 Gear Shifts
#27
Well, like you said, it handles the same, but it has more power. Other than price, I don't see a lot of downside there. C350 is actually closer to 70hp more than a C230 stock for stock. Brakes are a little bigger too.
BTW, C230 is much slower than an E350, Camry V6, Accord V6, Altima V6. There are probably more from your list as well. By the way I wouldn't be proud of being faster than a bunch of SUV's.
BTW, C230 is much slower than an E350, Camry V6, Accord V6, Altima V6. There are probably more from your list as well. By the way I wouldn't be proud of being faster than a bunch of SUV's.
Also are you sure an E350 can beat a 230, I ran against one, and while I wasn't car lengths ahead, I was ahead, same with a Pathfinder armada/qx56, beat those without issue. My S40 T5 wasnt to much faster the my C-class yet the S40 is considered, fast but yet the C230 isnt, just had me a bit baffled. (I do have the flash to bring me up to 220hp and 200tq)
I was just looking over 0-60 (not that they have to much of a true point but) why is the 230 so epically "slow" I mean 201hp and 180hp isnt bad in a small car but the car is some how very slow, I mean a SI has less tq yet is faster, Is it just the combo of a fat *** and a lack of Tq?
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You missed my point, like a V8 mustang, accord, camry and altima, are rarely found on road in a V6, and those V6 cars can beat a C350 so not much of a win for the 350 in that comparison however in 4 banger AKA most common cars on the road that I was getting at a C230 is faster then the bunch of them.
Also are you sure an E350 can beat a 230, I ran against one, and while I wasn't car lengths ahead, I was ahead, same with a Pathfinder armada/qx56, beat those without issue. My S40 T5 wasnt to much faster the my C-class yet the S40 is considered, fast but yet the C230 isnt, just had me a bit baffled. (I do have the flash to bring me up to 220hp and 200tq)
I was just looking over 0-60 (not that they have to much of a true point but) why is the 230 so epically "slow" I mean 201hp and 180hp isnt bad in a small car but the car is some how very slow, I mean a SI has less tq yet is faster, Is it just the combo of a fat *** and a lack of Tq?
Also are you sure an E350 can beat a 230, I ran against one, and while I wasn't car lengths ahead, I was ahead, same with a Pathfinder armada/qx56, beat those without issue. My S40 T5 wasnt to much faster the my C-class yet the S40 is considered, fast but yet the C230 isnt, just had me a bit baffled. (I do have the flash to bring me up to 220hp and 200tq)
I was just looking over 0-60 (not that they have to much of a true point but) why is the 230 so epically "slow" I mean 201hp and 180hp isnt bad in a small car but the car is some how very slow, I mean a SI has less tq yet is faster, Is it just the combo of a fat *** and a lack of Tq?
C230's problem is it's power/weight. A Civic SI is significantly lighter. Although the C230 has 200 ish HP, it's 3,400lb curb weight makes it sluggish.
For the record, I have yet to meet a V6 Accord or Camry that I can't keep up with, TL's and G35's depend on year/trim. Altimas can be quick but like you said it's really tough to see a VQ Altima. All of these cars (except the G) also suffer from FWD, and unless they've practiced launching, I'll probably get a better hole shot.
#29
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Accord V6s are a dime a dozen. Camry V6s are a bit more rare with Altima V6s being the most rare. The Camry V6 is a real sleeper. It's handling might be like a cow on skates but it can move in a straight line. A C350 should be able to keep up, though, with any of those V6s. A C230 on the other hand will not be able to. Even with 220hp via the flash - 50HP is VERY significant.
I traded a 2007 Si sedan in for my C230K. It had absolutely no torque but was quite a bit lighter. I don't feel like it's too much faster than the C230K, but I never raced them.
Everyone who has these "Oh I raced this...that.. and won" stories.. they should be taken with a grain of salt. The fact that you are able to beat a QX56, for instance, doesn't mean the C230 V6 is faster than a QX56 - it isn't. For example: I was able to (for humor) race my C230K and 135i from a stop light to 75mph. A friend was in the 135i and I was in the C230. He slept on the start-off and the C230 got the jump. It took him to 50mph to pull ahead. I could post "I raced a 135i and won". To 50, I guess I did win - nevermind he pulled a bus-length on me from 50-75.
In a standardized race the C230 is quite slow and would lose to lots of cars, and the 2.5L V6 leaves an especially bad taste in my mouth. C230K or C350 for me, thanks.
I traded a 2007 Si sedan in for my C230K. It had absolutely no torque but was quite a bit lighter. I don't feel like it's too much faster than the C230K, but I never raced them.
Everyone who has these "Oh I raced this...that.. and won" stories.. they should be taken with a grain of salt. The fact that you are able to beat a QX56, for instance, doesn't mean the C230 V6 is faster than a QX56 - it isn't. For example: I was able to (for humor) race my C230K and 135i from a stop light to 75mph. A friend was in the 135i and I was in the C230. He slept on the start-off and the C230 got the jump. It took him to 50mph to pull ahead. I could post "I raced a 135i and won". To 50, I guess I did win - nevermind he pulled a bus-length on me from 50-75.
In a standardized race the C230 is quite slow and would lose to lots of cars, and the 2.5L V6 leaves an especially bad taste in my mouth. C230K or C350 for me, thanks.
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You missed my point, like a V8 mustang, accord, camry and altima, are rarely found on road in a V6, and those V6 cars can beat a C350 so not much of a win for the 350 in that comparison however in 4 banger AKA most common cars on the road that I was getting at a C230 is faster then the bunch of them.
Also are you sure an E350 can beat a 230, I ran against one, and while I wasn't car lengths ahead, I was ahead, same with a Pathfinder armada/qx56, beat those without issue. My S40 T5 wasnt to much faster the my C-class yet the S40 is considered, fast but yet the C230 isnt, just had me a bit baffled. (I do have the flash to bring me up to 220hp and 200tq)
I was just looking over 0-60 (not that they have to much of a true point but) why is the 230 so epically "slow" I mean 201hp and 180hp isnt bad in a small car but the car is some how very slow, I mean a SI has less tq yet is faster, Is it just the combo of a fat *** and a lack of Tq?
Also are you sure an E350 can beat a 230, I ran against one, and while I wasn't car lengths ahead, I was ahead, same with a Pathfinder armada/qx56, beat those without issue. My S40 T5 wasnt to much faster the my C-class yet the S40 is considered, fast but yet the C230 isnt, just had me a bit baffled. (I do have the flash to bring me up to 220hp and 200tq)
I was just looking over 0-60 (not that they have to much of a true point but) why is the 230 so epically "slow" I mean 201hp and 180hp isnt bad in a small car but the car is some how very slow, I mean a SI has less tq yet is faster, Is it just the combo of a fat *** and a lack of Tq?
This happens everytime I go to Glendale (everyone drives a V6 Camry loool)
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