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improved handling?
for the past 4 months ive been driving my car easy, but this past couple weeks ive been trying to push its limits
i was taking some sharp turns and i almost got into an accident
i forgot to turn off esp the first time and it started to brake while i was turning. i emabarasses myself pretty badly
well anyways i just want to know what i can do improve the handling so i dont have to worry about body roll.
maybe its my driving i dunno, can someone help
i was taking some sharp turns and i almost got into an accident
i forgot to turn off esp the first time and it started to brake while i was turning. i emabarasses myself pretty badly
well anyways i just want to know what i can do improve the handling so i dont have to worry about body roll.
maybe its my driving i dunno, can someone help
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Originally posted by Tai230K
Amg Sway Bars... Springs... and bigger wheels...
Amg Sway Bars... Springs... and bigger wheels...
, what kind of springs,tires,etc i thought bigger wheels make it heavier to turn tho, i still want some ride comfort, but i definitly want some sportiness
so lowering a bit will help alot?
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i'm not an expert on this but i did some research for my C-coupe.... Bigger wheels do help but only to a point (handling)... thicker sway bars such as AMG's help to reduce body roll.... springs help also since the car sits lower....
New tires couldn't hurt either... more grip... after switching to ultra high performance tires i'm not ever going to switch back to normal all season tires....
Springs- i see a lot of people getting H&R springs... also eibach...
New tires couldn't hurt either... more grip... after switching to ultra high performance tires i'm not ever going to switch back to normal all season tires....
Springs- i see a lot of people getting H&R springs... also eibach...
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If you want superb handling, a set of coilovers or full Brabus suspension will do the trick. If you dont want to spend that much, get a set of Renntech springs. These will improve your handling. But if you want to eliminate the bodyroll, well, actually, you cant totally eliminate it, you can get a set of Evosport sway bars or AMG sway bars. The Evospsort ones are thicker, the AMG ones are not as thick, but both will give you pretty good results. After you've done all the suspension upgrades, its obvious that you should consider a set of bigger wheels.
You have to understand a MB is never meant to be a sports car (except the AMGs), so you can only do so much to improve it.
Good luck!
You have to understand a MB is never meant to be a sports car (except the AMGs), so you can only do so much to improve it.
Good luck!
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Re: improved handling?
Originally posted by noblert10
for the past 4 months ive been driving my car easy, but this past couple weeks ive been trying to push its limits
i was taking some sharp turns and i almost got into an accident
i forgot to turn off esp the first time and it started to brake while i was turning. i emabarasses myself pretty badly
well anyways i just want to know what i can do improve the handling so i dont have to worry about body roll.
maybe its my driving i dunno, can someone help
for the past 4 months ive been driving my car easy, but this past couple weeks ive been trying to push its limits
i was taking some sharp turns and i almost got into an accident
i forgot to turn off esp the first time and it started to brake while i was turning. i emabarasses myself pretty badly
well anyways i just want to know what i can do improve the handling so i dont have to worry about body roll.
maybe its my driving i dunno, can someone help
If you want to keep a comfortable ride but still be able to have some fun in the twisties, get the H&R cupkit with AMG sways.
Also be sure to add some 17" or 18" performance wheels/tires.
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wow i love this board i dont know what i do what with out it!
thanks for all the replys
i have a couple more questions
how much will all this cost?
i want to keep it under $1000, can i keep my stock rims and just change the tires or willi have to do both
also how will all of this change of springs, low profile tires, sways affect my highway driving, especially at high speeds?
another i noticed is different degrees of lowering?
how many inches is good?
i want to note that i am not gonna slam the car
what are coilovers??? sorry i am very new to all of this termonlogy but i am learning
also if any of you know anything about bmw, what do there cars have that handle so well? my friends stock 330 sport stays planted all the time during cornering
thanks again for the responses, i appreciate i t
i know what i was getting myself into buying a benz, but i didnt know stock handling was this bad. anyways i still love my benz
i dont know what i do what with out it!thanks for all the replys
i have a couple more questions
how much will all this cost?
i want to keep it under $1000, can i keep my stock rims and just change the tires or willi have to do both
also how will all of this change of springs, low profile tires, sways affect my highway driving, especially at high speeds?
another i noticed is different degrees of lowering?
how many inches is good?
i want to note that i am not gonna slam the car
what are coilovers??? sorry i am very new to all of this termonlogy
but i am learningalso if any of you know anything about bmw, what do there cars have that handle so well? my friends stock 330 sport stays planted all the time during cornering
thanks again for the responses, i appreciate i t
i know what i was getting myself into buying a benz, but i didnt know stock handling was this bad. anyways i still love my benz
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I strongly recommend Carlsson coilover, thicker swaybar and wider wheels and tires, it does make a big difference. Last time when i was going downhill on a hill, i was having too much speed and i though gonna lose it but wow the coilover and wider wheels setup make a big difference, the car just stick to the road with confidence, love it.
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Originally posted by Harris
If you want superb handling, a set of coilovers or full Brabus suspension will do the trick. If you dont want to spend that much, get a set of Renntech springs. These will improve your handling. But if you want to eliminate the bodyroll, well, actually, you cant totally eliminate it, you can get a set of Evosport sway bars or AMG sway bars. The Evospsort ones are thicker, the AMG ones are not as thick, but both will give you pretty good results. After you've done all the suspension upgrades, its obvious that you should consider a set of bigger wheels.
You have to understand a MB is never meant to be a sports car (except the AMGs), so you can only do so much to improve it.
Good luck!
If you want superb handling, a set of coilovers or full Brabus suspension will do the trick. If you dont want to spend that much, get a set of Renntech springs. These will improve your handling. But if you want to eliminate the bodyroll, well, actually, you cant totally eliminate it, you can get a set of Evosport sway bars or AMG sway bars. The Evospsort ones are thicker, the AMG ones are not as thick, but both will give you pretty good results. After you've done all the suspension upgrades, its obvious that you should consider a set of bigger wheels.
You have to understand a MB is never meant to be a sports car (except the AMGs), so you can only do so much to improve it.
Good luck!
Any good springs, shocks, sways, and tires will make the car handle better than AMG models.
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Since you rarely drive hard enough for the extra handling to be necessary, I wouldn't go as extreme as coilovers. Here is what I would recommend for you:
1) Unless you want new wheels, keep your existing wheels and change tires from 205/55-16 to 225/50-16. They are the same diameter, but will give you a little bit extra width. You can also change to a more high performance tire if you wish, but it will wear faster.
2) Get a set of springs (Eibach or H&R), or get the H&R cupkit. Not only will it handle better, it will make your car look much better. The cupkit is springs and shocks and offers a bit more lowering than springs only. Coilovers are even more extreme and are adjustable. You probably don't need these.
3) Get AMG or Eibach sway bars.
You should be able to do all three of these and it shouldn't be too much more than $1000. If you do tires, springs only, and AMG sways, you can keep it under $1000. You will notice a huge difference by changing all of these at the same time.
1) Unless you want new wheels, keep your existing wheels and change tires from 205/55-16 to 225/50-16. They are the same diameter, but will give you a little bit extra width. You can also change to a more high performance tire if you wish, but it will wear faster.
2) Get a set of springs (Eibach or H&R), or get the H&R cupkit. Not only will it handle better, it will make your car look much better. The cupkit is springs and shocks and offers a bit more lowering than springs only. Coilovers are even more extreme and are adjustable. You probably don't need these.
3) Get AMG or Eibach sway bars.
You should be able to do all three of these and it shouldn't be too much more than $1000. If you do tires, springs only, and AMG sways, you can keep it under $1000. You will notice a huge difference by changing all of these at the same time.
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Matt i think your right, i was thinking about that, i mean i just want to occasional make that hard turn and have some fun.
but i dont know, i feel like i am messing with the german engineering by tampering with the suspesion. am i defeating all there hard work?
do u guys feel that way too?
but i dont know, i feel like i am messing with the german engineering by tampering with the suspesion. am i defeating all there hard work?
do u guys feel that way too?
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Originally posted by noblert10
but i dont know, i feel like i am messing with the german engineering by tampering with the suspesion. am i defeating all there hard work?
but i dont know, i feel like i am messing with the german engineering by tampering with the suspesion. am i defeating all there hard work?
You will probably get the biggest difference from the springs and sways. Worry about the tires later. When they wear out, you can always change to the wider ones then. I don't think they will make that much of a difference.
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Originally posted by Matt230K
No, you're not defeating it, you're improving it. The MB engineers have to make a compromise between ride comfort and handling. Due to the average age of MB owners being quite old, they tend to go more towards comfort. But Eibach and H&R have engineers too, and they are able to make handling better without completely taking away the comfort and stock feel.
You will probably get the biggest difference from the springs and sways. Worry about the tires later. When they wear out, you can always change to the wider ones then. I don't think they will make that much of a difference.
No, you're not defeating it, you're improving it. The MB engineers have to make a compromise between ride comfort and handling. Due to the average age of MB owners being quite old, they tend to go more towards comfort. But Eibach and H&R have engineers too, and they are able to make handling better without completely taking away the comfort and stock feel.
You will probably get the biggest difference from the springs and sways. Worry about the tires later. When they wear out, you can always change to the wider ones then. I don't think they will make that much of a difference.
Matt, i never thought of it like that. you are right! i will definitely go for it now. you and everyone elses feedback helped me decide to get me a pair as soon as possible
i was looking on the H&R site and there are couple different types of springs
i was thinking of getting the sport or OE sport, do you have either on yours? if so which one do u think is better buy
is the cupkit worth it? do i need new shocks too or can i use my existing ones
if its not a big difference in money i will get the kit, do you know the prices?
thanks
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I haven't changed my suspension at all, partly because of money, mostly because my car is leased. But if I were to get something, I would probably get the cupkit. I may still do it someday. It is a pretty significant drop, so be aware of that. I think it is 1.9" in the front. If you don't want that, just get springs.
Check TireRack for prices on all of these products. They probably have the best prices. Springs should be 225-250, the cupkit is more like 600 because shocks tend to be more expensive.
Check TireRack for prices on all of these products. They probably have the best prices. Springs should be 225-250, the cupkit is more like 600 because shocks tend to be more expensive.
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this sounds good, i dont want to much of a drop look, i dont like to look that obvious, thanks for the warning, i didnt know that.
i always hear the sways are a big difference and combined with the springs it would be a great combination.
i hope the handling is significant for me to feel it, not that its going to handle like a porsche
will it handle near a regular 3 series?
sorry for all these questions, i just want to educate myself as much as possible
Edit- will i feel the difference if i pick the OE Sport springs, anyone use this in there cars?
i always hear the sways are a big difference and combined with the springs it would be a great combination.
i hope the handling is significant for me to feel it, not that its going to handle like a porsche
will it handle near a regular 3 series?
sorry for all these questions, i just want to educate myself as much as possible
Edit- will i feel the difference if i pick the OE Sport springs, anyone use this in there cars?
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Originally posted by BlackC230Coupe
just out of curiosity since u said if u dont want to spend much get RENNtech springs? why would u reccomed RENNtech springs over eibach or H&R that would be cheaper? Also i would definitly say that AMG's engines are great but there handling mods that differ them from the standard models are so little.
Any good springs, shocks, sways, and tires will make the car handle better than AMG models.
just out of curiosity since u said if u dont want to spend much get RENNtech springs? why would u reccomed RENNtech springs over eibach or H&R that would be cheaper? Also i would definitly say that AMG's engines are great but there handling mods that differ them from the standard models are so little.
Any good springs, shocks, sways, and tires will make the car handle better than AMG models.
AMG cars definitely handle better than ordinary MBs, but IMO, there are lots of room for improvement, mainly because the majority of MB buyers are looking for luxury and comfort rather than sporty handling. So AMG cars will not go to the extreme like BMW Ms.
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Originally posted by noblert10
will it handle near a regular 3 series?
sorry for all these questions, i just want to educate myself as much as possible
Edit- will i feel the difference if i pick the OE Sport springs, anyone use this in there cars?
will it handle near a regular 3 series?
sorry for all these questions, i just want to educate myself as much as possible
Edit- will i feel the difference if i pick the OE Sport springs, anyone use this in there cars?
Also I haven't heard of the OE sports that you found on H&R website. I think they only sell one type of spring for our cars, and I guess that is just the regular sport.
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Originally posted by Harris
To answer the first part of your question: I have used H&R springs, H&R Cup Kit and currently I am using Renntech springs on my 32. H&R springs (as well as Cup Kit) tend to be more sensitive, they will react to every bump on the road. Renntech springs are more comfortable and yet, can give you much improved handling. A set of Renntech springs is not as expensive as a set of coilovers, thats why I said if he doesnt want to spend too much but have good handling, Renntech springs is the answer. Eibach springs doesnt lower the car enough nor can it improve the handling, thats why its out of the question.
To answer the first part of your question: I have used H&R springs, H&R Cup Kit and currently I am using Renntech springs on my 32. H&R springs (as well as Cup Kit) tend to be more sensitive, they will react to every bump on the road. Renntech springs are more comfortable and yet, can give you much improved handling. A set of Renntech springs is not as expensive as a set of coilovers, thats why I said if he doesnt want to spend too much but have good handling, Renntech springs is the answer. Eibach springs doesnt lower the car enough nor can it improve the handling, thats why its out of the question.
I am sure i would have liked them.
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Originally posted by spankdoggie
This might be a dumb question, but will any of these changes you guys are mentioning, with regard to the suspension, void the warranty?
Thanks.
This might be a dumb question, but will any of these changes you guys are mentioning, with regard to the suspension, void the warranty?
Thanks.
practically, Yes
It's will depend on how mod friendly your dealer is.
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Thanks quickster. My wife is upset that this car does not handle like her Acura Integra GS. She says she hates the car (mb coupe 2003) now, so I need to upgrade the suspension.
So Eibach sways and bars will be the perfect compromise, yes? Or are AMG sways just as good?
Thanks.
So Eibach sways and bars will be the perfect compromise, yes? Or are AMG sways just as good?
Thanks.
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Originally posted by spankdoggie
So Eibach sways and bars will be the perfect compromise, yes? Or are AMG sways just as good?
So Eibach sways and bars will be the perfect compromise, yes? Or are AMG sways just as good?
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Oops, I meant Eibach sways AND springs. Not a sway only. Sorry.
Are the Renntech springs really that much better than the Eibachs? If so, I will look into them more, and reread this thread. Thanks Kwikster.
Take care.
Are the Renntech springs really that much better than the Eibachs? If so, I will look into them more, and reread this thread. Thanks Kwikster.
Take care.
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Originally posted by spankdoggie
Oops, I meant Eibach sways AND springs. Not a sway only. Sorry.
Are the Renntech springs really that much better than the Eibachs? If so, I will look into them more, and reread this thread. Thanks Kwikster.
Take care.
Oops, I meant Eibach sways AND springs. Not a sway only. Sorry.
Are the Renntech springs really that much better than the Eibachs? If so, I will look into them more, and reread this thread. Thanks Kwikster.
Take care.
The dealer will not void your warrenty unless the suspension mod caused a problem to the car.
