Dyno, KLEEMANN Pulley
Anyone figure out how to expose oil filter housing in '02 C230K?
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Kleemann, when you are ready to deliver your product let us know if there's anything you can do about a group buy for this forum.
As for you confidence on your pulley. Would you put it in writting that you will repair anything damage (like what you stated) caused by your pulley?
As for you confidence on your pulley. Would you put it in writting that you will repair anything damage (like what you stated) caused by your pulley?
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KLEEMANN Boost Kit
Only in America is the public so bound with desire to be protected from incompetence- even their own.
What kind of warranty do you get with the other pullies? Heres the fundamental problem. KLEEMANN sells a pulley to a customer, for the sake of argument we will say its a person that cant find their own oil filter. They go about trying to do all the mechanical work required to change the pulley. They cant do it because the dont have the tools- so they take the car else where. Now this new shop can do the work but... they force the crank pulley on because they didnt take the time to line up the woodruff key. They dont torque the crank bolt to the spec. 6 months later something loosens up and the pulley wipes out the front cover- now you want to call KLEEMANN for a claim?
Its the old argument: Guns dont kill people, people do.
In other words, no KLEEMANN cant implicitly say that nothing will ever happen to your engine if you use our pulley, just like none of the other tuners can- theres just too many factors outside our control to assume that liability. By the same token, however, I am aware of NO tuners having any problems with ANY of the pulley sets currently available.
What kind of warranty do you get with the other pullies? Heres the fundamental problem. KLEEMANN sells a pulley to a customer, for the sake of argument we will say its a person that cant find their own oil filter. They go about trying to do all the mechanical work required to change the pulley. They cant do it because the dont have the tools- so they take the car else where. Now this new shop can do the work but... they force the crank pulley on because they didnt take the time to line up the woodruff key. They dont torque the crank bolt to the spec. 6 months later something loosens up and the pulley wipes out the front cover- now you want to call KLEEMANN for a claim?
Its the old argument: Guns dont kill people, people do.
In other words, no KLEEMANN cant implicitly say that nothing will ever happen to your engine if you use our pulley, just like none of the other tuners can- theres just too many factors outside our control to assume that liability. By the same token, however, I am aware of NO tuners having any problems with ANY of the pulley sets currently available.
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Kleemann,
I wasn't worried about a warranttee until you said that a pulley might shake the engine apart and an all alloy pulley would last about 2 days before the oil seal ate a groove deep enough in the crank to puke most of the oil out of the sump. That scared me away from pullies at least a week. I know you said your pulley is steel but aren't you going to be selling an all 6061 T6 alloy pulley to the rest of us? Can I buy your steel pulley from you?
I wasn't worried about a warranttee until you said that a pulley might shake the engine apart and an all alloy pulley would last about 2 days before the oil seal ate a groove deep enough in the crank to puke most of the oil out of the sump. That scared me away from pullies at least a week. I know you said your pulley is steel but aren't you going to be selling an all 6061 T6 alloy pulley to the rest of us? Can I buy your steel pulley from you?
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Umm ok
Originally posted by Buellwinkle
Kleemann,
I wasn't worried about a warranttee until you said that a pulley might shake the engine apart and an all alloy pulley would last about 2 days before the oil seal ate a groove deep enough in the crank to puke most of the oil out of the sump. That scared me away from pullies at least a week. I know you said your pulley is steel but aren't you going to be selling an all 6061 T6 alloy pulley to the rest of us? Can I buy your steel pulley from you?
Kleemann,
I wasn't worried about a warranttee until you said that a pulley might shake the engine apart and an all alloy pulley would last about 2 days before the oil seal ate a groove deep enough in the crank to puke most of the oil out of the sump. That scared me away from pullies at least a week. I know you said your pulley is steel but aren't you going to be selling an all 6061 T6 alloy pulley to the rest of us? Can I buy your steel pulley from you?
I would think that kleemann was saying.
There is a lot more to a pulley than meets the eye.
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Re: KLEEMANN Boost Kit
Originally posted by KLEEMANN
My point is this: KLEEMANN has been tuning MBZ for 15 years, we employ over 35 eople in engineering, production, sales and development. As far as I can tell from this thread some folks cant even find their oil filter- who do you want to get tuning solutions from?
And from another thread:
Only in America is the public so bound with desire to be protected from incompetence- even their own.
My point is this: KLEEMANN has been tuning MBZ for 15 years, we employ over 35 eople in engineering, production, sales and development. As far as I can tell from this thread some folks cant even find their oil filter- who do you want to get tuning solutions from?
And from another thread:
Only in America is the public so bound with desire to be protected from incompetence- even their own.
To those who are considering developing their own S/C pulley. A good start would be to call up someone familiar with these particular (Eaton?) blowers and tell them you want to "just change the pulley" on it in your garage this weekend. See what kind of response you get... and don't be surprised when it's remarkable similar to what Kleeman's been telling you! (But perhaps in language that's not quite as polite)
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Exactly, that's why I want my pulley made by ASP Racing. Because they understand Eaton supercharger pullies and sell far more than Kleemann. Of course the point is moot since neither have delivered yet. It's funny that the assumption by a few is that we would make our own pulley in the garage with a few backyard mechanics tinckering with a lathe. Heck, Kleemann didn't even know what the factory pulley looked like and recently looked at it, does this inspire confidence? The 35 people are a mix, how many are engineers, what do they call an engineer, what are their qualifications, what type of long term stress analysis have they done? Not saying they don't know what they are doing, just saying that I know as much about them as I do about anyones capabilities on this forum. But Spyke, since you've been to their shop and spoken to their engineers I'll take your word for it!
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Originally posted by Buellwinkle
But Spyke, since you've been to their shop and spoken to their engineers I'll take your word for it!
But Spyke, since you've been to their shop and spoken to their engineers I'll take your word for it!
For the record, my experience has been with people from Rousch, on vehicles that are sold by the OEMs... most recently the Ford F150 Harely Edition. I heard the same things when I was working on that truck. Ten minutes into a conversation about the truck with "everyday" people and I'd hear "We'll just change out the pulley on the blower and..." Absolutely no clue what that involved, but they were sure Rousch had no clue what was going on and they could do it better.
P.S. I believe Kleeman mentioned some third party FEA analysis. That's a pretty standard method of stress analysis these days, especially on something like a pulley.
Not trying to flame anyone here, just agreeing with Kleeman that a lot of things get oversimplified here, and some people these days don't even realize what it is they are demanding from companies. (And are unwilling to accept any responsibility for their own actions.)
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Originally posted by Buellwinkle
Heck, Kleemann didn't even know what the factory pulley looked like and recently looked at it, does this inspire confidence?
Heck, Kleemann didn't even know what the factory pulley looked like and recently looked at it, does this inspire confidence?
BTW: The ring style boost kits are available now. The solid alloy pulley will be here soon. Im not going to rush to bring something to market that isnt exaclty the way it should be.
