zimmer26

Oh btw M.L.X. the title of the thread should be 2.3l coupe faster, W203 is the platform on which all C-class cars from 2001 on are built on. Anxiously awaiting W204, but will settle for some added edge (and nicer cloth interior) built into the C320 coupe as they did with the sedans (I don't think I'll be able to wait another 3 years!!)

mctwin2kman

It was those lights, the leather, the color, the C5, C1 and heated seats that were a must. They could not find this for me and the color really was not a biggie but it fit. They found the exact car on a 2003 sitting in port down in Baltimore. And to be honest I drove a 2002 Auto and it was by no means quick, hence why I got the 6 speed. As for the number ****, car and driver gave both the 2002 and the 2003 0-60 in the 8 second range. One was 8.2 and the other 8.3 or 8.1 I do not remember, but it was not a second off. As for MBUSA ratings, who gives a crap, they are never right. Of course they usually say a car is slower than what it is but apparantly MBUSA went the other way on the both model year coupes. Now as for the flaming ****, I only stated that you can't read and that is still apparant. No where did I flame back I just corrected your mistakes in reading comprehension.

C230 Sport Coup

>>The drive is about 280 miles with nothing but mountains. Up the grade and down the other side. <<

Oh yeh...I know what you mean bruthuh....

I drive up this one road everyday, has about a 30-45 degree grade on one section, and I go up it, at ~40mph at 2K rpm. 'Course if I put my foot in it'll downshift, but I can keep a steady speed at 2K RPM at 40MPH and you just feel the torque.

Thats what I'm talkin 'bout baby!!

Outland

For the 02 six speed.

MT- 7.1
MW- 7.4
C&D-7.6
MBUSA- 7.2

I dunno, seems consistent to me. And well within the zone of acceptable variation considering differences in tolerance stack up, engine break in, drive wieght, test condtions and driver skill.

Ive yet to see an 03 1.8 Test below 8.1 seconds. Ive seen 8.1, 8.3, 8.4....but no 7s.

Outland

I agree. That's so cool climbing steep hills in sixth gear with less than 2K on the tach. Never owned a four cylinder car that could do that before.

If I leave before rush hour I can set the cruise for one stretch on my ride home, and the car mopes along at 1400RPM in 6th gear up and down some decent size hills. That's amazing for a four popper. My honda would have died. My Saturn would have bucked like mad and stalled.

zimmer26

I never said the 02 auto was quick, I never said my car was either. Its just nice to know that I'm less slow than any 03 or newer (unmodded) C230 coupe/sedan who steps up. You're right, the acceleration figures should be understated by the manufacturer if anything, a tenth or two either way, fine (as was the case with the 02s), but we're talking nearly a full second discrepancy in most tests. I'd be pissed if I bought an 03 expecting low sevens as their site states and it can't run under 8, but I guess that's just me. At this point there are two things that ARE apparEnt: you have no idea how to the word "hence" and that you'll get smoked by any 02 coupe you try to race until you start modding! If you don't care how slow your car is, stop trying to defend it or better yet, spare us all and stop posting!:p

mctwin2kman

I would like you to for once read the friggin post. I never defended my coupe anywhere you arrogant MB driving ****. If you could read you would see this, but apparantly READING was not your strong suit. At this point I find your posts totally useless because you are not reading the other posts. I could care less if I get banned from this forum either for you are the idiot here who can not read worth a damn and comprehend what I said at all. If you think that my coupe is slow then fine I never once said mine was faster than an 02. I have seen the numbers for both and I will tell you what, neither is fast, not yours and not mine. So good day and good bye, this forum has nad nothing usefull on it since its downtime. And to be honest maybe it should have stayed down then all you arrogant asswads who can't read may have something better to do and you may learn how to.

GTIDAN

I would like you to for once read the friggin post. I never defended my coupe anywhere you arrogant MB driving ****. If you could read you would see this, but apparantly READING was not your strong suit. At this point I find your posts totally useless because you are not reading the other posts. I could care less if I get banned from this forum either for you are the idiot here who can not read worth a damn and comprehend what I said at all. If you think that my coupe is slow then fine I never once said mine was faster than an 02. I have seen the numbers for both and I will tell you what, neither is fast, not yours and not mine. So good day and good bye, this forum has nad nothing usefull on it since its downtime. And to be honest maybe it should have stayed down then all you arrogant asswads who can't read may have something better to do and you may learn how to.


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mctwin2kman

Yep I am just sick of people not reading what is actually posted.

Outland

Alright. Cmon everyone...group hug time. No fights among owners. Lets save that for the AQM's, MacPhistos and the SoCals of the world

mctwin2kman

Alright Alright, I will be the bigger person. I am sorry I own a slow *** 2003 C230K with a wimpy 1.8 L motor that is inferior to the mighty 2002 2.3L motor with its 10+ft/lbs of tourque and 3 extra ponies......

zimmer26

Don't be sorry for owning a slow car, be sorry for resorting to personal attacks as a result of losing a debate. Maybe for once, admitting that someone else made good points and kept it civil, something you weren't capable of unfortunately. I'm sure your car is nice, good color choice btw, so go enjoy what will probably be the nicest weather we'll see until Spring 04. I'm looking into a silver 6 speed 320 coupe demo that I found through my local dealer yesterday. *******s wouldn't quote me a price on the phone though.

GTIDAN

Remember that its always easier to get forgiveness than permission!
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I agree with you about it's better to admit you lost the debate and just move on. We have a President who can't do that and look what it's cost so far. Over 450 dead and thousands wounded and screwed up for LIFE. The other side is that it's made billions for Chency's ol' buddy netword and assures him of getting the rest of his, what, 20 million in kickbacks (sorry, retirement)......
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Both motors are great. One new and unproven. The other has been around for years with well known reliability. The new motor I'm sure will prove out. In the end, however, I think it will be sold only in Europe with the 320 being the entry level motor here in the states. Europeans understand the need to conserve while here a home bigger is better and damn the rest of the planet. JMHO:p

zimmer26

I think that's a definite possibility after the A class makes its debut and the coupe is no longer at the bottom of the food chain. Maybe that's what they should have done in the first place for the US market. I'm sure the media reception would have been much warmer with the 3.2 as standard equip. for (still) well under 30k. I think the car is a great and much overlooked bargain in all forms, OK not when fully loaded and you're up into 330 territory but overall I'm still very happy with my decision and I would buy another one. Resale is the car's biggest sore spot for me, a little more power, nicer cloth and I'm in for another.

Outland

I don't think it has anything to prove. Its got good output, and has addressed many of the previous issues with the M111- and mechanical woes have been just as low in frequency as the 2.3L. Its just that the coupe is a fat little car- and it needs that extra torque, and the wider power band. Perhaps down the road a few years, it will be making over 200HP.

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In the end, however, I think it will be sold only in Europe with the 320 being the entry level motor here in the states. Europeans understand the need to conserve while here a home bigger is better and damn the rest of the planet. JMHO:p

I disagree. MB has stated on many occassions that it wants its more responsible side to be shown MORE stateside. Than means diesels are coming back, and the four cylinder engines will always be in the lineup.

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, a little more power, nicer cloth and I'm in for another.

If my coupe were totalled right now, I'm not sure I'd replace it with another- don't get me wrong, I love the car...but the V6 is a performance dead end, unless youve 12K buring a hole in your pocket for a Kleeman supercharger, and the 1.8 has yet to show any easy upgrade paths. If the next gen car keeps the good looks, addresses the power situation in the 1.8, then yeah, I'd be interested. Perhaps before then, there will be a C350 Coupe, or a C55 Coupe now that would have me counting my pennies. Although, the Coupe should always come with a supercharged engine- the car looks naked without the Kompressor on the back end:p

zimmer26

That CDI30 sounds pretty sweet- 231hp/388lb-ft torque(if my conversions were accurate), 30 mpg! I'm not one to make big mods, so the 3.2 is the best thing out there for me (MB wise) right now. Nothing wrong with being naked when you're as hot as the coupe! I had MB swipe the rear clean (save the star of course) of all badging, free of charge. Had the 320 been out when I did this I probably would've left "C230" so I don't come off as a poseur, but I really like it better completely naked personally. The true test will be the fate of the C320 badge if I were to get that. I suppose I'd have to leave it, wouldn't want people to think I'm a 230 trying to pose when the V6 goods are under hood! Maybe I'll drop the 0 and add AMG on the right! Anyone know why MB can squeze 6 more hp and 11 more ft-lbs out of it in the E and not the C?

Matt230K

Because it costs more. Actually, that is probably part of it. They wouldn't want the cheaper C-class to have the same or more power than the E. But also, it usually depends on space. The E-class probably has more space for routing intakes and exhaust and this is where most of the power comes from.

Lynn

Changing the badges to C32 AMG would make you a poseur, not debadging the car.

zimmer26

I think they could both be considered posing, certainly on different levels. I'd go a step further, if I saw a coupe w/C32 AMG on its *** I'd probably LOL because the car doesn't exist in the states, so although its posing, its stupid posing that's just plain silly IMO. If I saw one completely debadged, you can pretty much assume C230 (like me) with V6 envy. Yes, I was pissed on several levels when the 320 came out. Had I known about it I would've waited, and it kinda made the complete debadge quasi posing in a most unfortunate manner. So Lynn, can we expect changes for the coupe in the next year like they gave to the sedans? I want my big brakes, staggered wheels and lower ride height!

Matt230K

My car is debadged, but I'm certainly not posing as a 320 owner. I just think it looks better, especially on white. The 320 engine is great, but I still love my 230 w/supercharger and pulley just as much. You just don't get that awesome supercharger whine with the 320.

zimmer26

Did you debadge before or after the 320's intro? If you waited until after it does beg a question: what took you so long? Makes it seem like you weren't motivated to do it until there actually was ambiguity involved in debadging- and if that were the case, which it probably wasn't, I'd consider you guilty of quasi posing! Do you see what I'm saying? Do you disagree with my back assward thinking? Having said all that, I agree that it does indeed look better naked, maybe I just have issues!

Matt230K

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Matt230K

Actually, I don't remember when I debagded it. I didn't do it right away, but it's been awhile. The 320 may or may not have been out. But since I can't remember if the 320 was out or not (and I am being honest), then I guess that proves my lack of intention to pose. Or something like that.

zimmer26

Good enough then, I appreciate your candor, but do you see/agree with what I'm saying at all? btw- your car needs some sun

Matt230K

Yeah, I see what you're saying. Maybe I just did it subconciously. Actually, I hardly even notice that it's debadged anymore. I'm used to it that way. It just looks right. It is a little bright though. I had just cleaned it up for the pictures. It gets plenty of sun though. Never garaged a day in its life. Okay, maybe a couple days.