Bi-X: W203/CL203 OEM Bi-XENON Upgrade, Auto-Levelling & Programming thread
10-14-2002, 04:08 PM
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Re: 2003 Bi-Xenon for C230
Originally posted by gab
is it available as an option to order?
has anyone checked whether it will fit 2002 cars?
has anyone checked if we can organise a group buy?
is it available as an option to order?
has anyone checked whether it will fit 2002 cars?
has anyone checked if we can organise a group buy?
It will fit 2002 cars, but the 2002 cars do not have the proper wiring harness to make the auto-leveling system work. Some members have already installed them on their sedans. Do a search.
10-14-2002, 08:41 PM
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I think if you take out the whole Halogen assembly and replaced with the bi-xenon assembly, its just a plug and play job. The only thing that will happen is there'll be an error message because the computer did not program with xenon when it rolled out of factory. You have to get a service tech & reset the computer to "xenon present". One more thing....the auto leveling will not work.
Last edited by Harris; 10-14-2002 at 08:45 PM.
10-14-2002, 09:56 PM
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I'm looking into both the coupe and sedan right now. I do not think it will be as easy as plug and play. Don't get me wrong, it shouldn't be difficult either. But from my experience with BMW's, you need to upgrade the ballasts and have the proper wiring harnesses in order to do so.
10-14-2002, 10:42 PM
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Mike "bagwell" has done it. According to him, its a plug and play job. Maybe you can send him a PM or e-mail.
I changed mine from regular Xenon to bi-xenon, its also a plug and play for me.
I changed mine from regular Xenon to bi-xenon, its also a plug and play for me.
10-14-2002, 10:59 PM
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01 C200 Kompressor, 02 C32 AMG
Its as simple as plug and play.....but I can't adjust the headlight from inside the car anymore.....don't think this will effect US owners as you don't have the ability to adjust the headlight from inside the car in the first place.
10-15-2002, 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by Harris
Mike "bagwell" has done it. According to him, its a plug and play job. Maybe you can send him a PM or e-mail.
I changed mine from regular Xenon to bi-xenon, its also a plug and play for me.
Mike "bagwell" has done it. According to him, its a plug and play job. Maybe you can send him a PM or e-mail.
I changed mine from regular Xenon to bi-xenon, its also a plug and play for me.
Since you upgraded from regular xenon to bi-xenon, is self leveling feature still works fine?
Thanks.
10-15-2002, 01:25 AM
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Ben, the auto-leveling won't work because the cars w/o bi-xenons or xenon as standard equipment don't have the proper wiring harness. If you are thinking of installing them at Evosport, check the Fed and state laws. I remember reading in the DOT regs that it is illegal for anyone but the factory to instal HID's.
Last edited by Lynn; 10-15-2002 at 10:19 AM.
10-15-2002, 03:13 AM
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Both Xenon and Bi-Xenon
Both Xenon and B-Xenon use an automatic self-leveling system, I am sure it is the same hardware and harness.
To uncloud the mystery, it is basically a potentiometer attached to the front sway bar, and one attached to the rear frame that measures the cars "squat" forward and rear. There is no reason that this same OEM stuff couldn't be added, it certainly isn't complicated.
If I was going from Halogen to either Xenon model, I might check the price of the MBZ harness, if it was more than $100, I would either just set them manually (kind of like every other car on the road), or if I wanted to tweak it, I would make a dial that worked from the drivers seat.
You might say that the self-leveling is a nice feature, but when it comes to value, how much would one pay for it?
Lynn are you saying that it is not a good idea for a "business" such as EvoSport to be in the business of installing HID's, but it is fine for Mach430?
To uncloud the mystery, it is basically a potentiometer attached to the front sway bar, and one attached to the rear frame that measures the cars "squat" forward and rear. There is no reason that this same OEM stuff couldn't be added, it certainly isn't complicated.
If I was going from Halogen to either Xenon model, I might check the price of the MBZ harness, if it was more than $100, I would either just set them manually (kind of like every other car on the road), or if I wanted to tweak it, I would make a dial that worked from the drivers seat.
You might say that the self-leveling is a nice feature, but when it comes to value, how much would one pay for it?
Lynn are you saying that it is not a good idea for a "business" such as EvoSport to be in the business of installing HID's, but it is fine for Mach430?
10-15-2002, 03:48 AM
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I took the liberty of taking apart 3 203 bi xenon headlights last saturday since these had either broken housings or broken reflectors and I am making undamaged lights out of the broken ones.
I took several pictures that can be found on the following pages:
page 1 with 203 Bi Xenon pics
page 2 with 203 Bi Xenon pics
As you can see on the pictures, the reflectors are attached to the housing with 3 balljoint connections; THESE CONNECTIONS MAY GET LOOSE IN TRANSIT due to dropping/throwing of the box.
I mailed with bagwell abou this and he thinks this is his problem as well. I mailed with yukpo and this was also exactly what his problem was and he solved it.
xraverone, please have a look at the pictures and see if your problem is caused by loose balljoints as well...if so: it is easy to repair.
box996 had a piece broken out of 1 reflector that was caused by throwing/dropping the box for sure...I think I found the solution how to prevent that from future shipped lights. He shipped back his broken light and will be getting a replacement light from me.
Most of the loose reflector problems probably are caused by loose balljoints...that is how most lights (all models) from the MB dealership come as well (when ordered as replacement lights).
The lights I had are all rejected headlights due to damaged housings, scratched lenses, damaged connectors, loose balljoints, whatever else there is wrong with the lights.
greetingz,
I took several pictures that can be found on the following pages:
page 1 with 203 Bi Xenon pics
page 2 with 203 Bi Xenon pics
As you can see on the pictures, the reflectors are attached to the housing with 3 balljoint connections; THESE CONNECTIONS MAY GET LOOSE IN TRANSIT due to dropping/throwing of the box.
I mailed with bagwell abou this and he thinks this is his problem as well. I mailed with yukpo and this was also exactly what his problem was and he solved it.
xraverone, please have a look at the pictures and see if your problem is caused by loose balljoints as well...if so: it is easy to repair.
box996 had a piece broken out of 1 reflector that was caused by throwing/dropping the box for sure...I think I found the solution how to prevent that from future shipped lights. He shipped back his broken light and will be getting a replacement light from me.
Most of the loose reflector problems probably are caused by loose balljoints...that is how most lights (all models) from the MB dealership come as well (when ordered as replacement lights).
The lights I had are all rejected headlights due to damaged housings, scratched lenses, damaged connectors, loose balljoints, whatever else there is wrong with the lights.
greetingz,
Last edited by MBenzNL; 10-15-2002 at 05:54 AM.
10-15-2002, 10:24 AM
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Re: Both Xenon and Bi-Xenon
Originally posted by rrf
Both Xenon and B-Xenon use an automatic self-leveling system, I am sure it is the same hardware and harness.
To uncloud the mystery, it is basically a potentiometer attached to the front sway bar, and one attached to the rear frame that measures the cars "squat" forward and rear. There is no reason that this same OEM stuff couldn't be added, it certainly isn't complicated.
If I was going from Halogen to either Xenon model, I might check the price of the MBZ harness, if it was more than $100, I would either just set them manually (kind of like every other car on the road), or if I wanted to tweak it, I would make a dial that worked from the drivers seat.
You might say that the self-leveling is a nice feature, but when it comes to value, how much would one pay for it?
Lynn are you saying that it is not a good idea for a "business" such as EvoSport to be in the business of installing HID's, but it is fine for Mach430?
Both Xenon and B-Xenon use an automatic self-leveling system, I am sure it is the same hardware and harness.
To uncloud the mystery, it is basically a potentiometer attached to the front sway bar, and one attached to the rear frame that measures the cars "squat" forward and rear. There is no reason that this same OEM stuff couldn't be added, it certainly isn't complicated.
If I was going from Halogen to either Xenon model, I might check the price of the MBZ harness, if it was more than $100, I would either just set them manually (kind of like every other car on the road), or if I wanted to tweak it, I would make a dial that worked from the drivers seat.
You might say that the self-leveling is a nice feature, but when it comes to value, how much would one pay for it?
Lynn are you saying that it is not a good idea for a "business" such as EvoSport to be in the business of installing HID's, but it is fine for Mach430?
I am saying that the the potential penalties to a business which install HID's will be much larger than the penalties to consumer who does so, assuming that what I think I read in the DOT regulations is correct. It would be cheaper for Evosport to consult an attorney before installing HID's in a customers car than the pay the fine afterward, if it is actually illegal for a business to install HID's.
10-15-2002, 10:37 AM
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what about a body shop, that has to install HID's to repair a customers car, is that illegal?
10-15-2002, 11:42 AM
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If the car was originally equipped with HID's, the answer would be it is not illegal. If they are doing an aftermarket installation, the answer is it is illegal.
I have been searching all morning for the reg, and I can't find it.
I have been searching all morning for the reg, and I can't find it.
10-16-2002, 10:21 AM
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Toyota Tacoma & Lexus IS250
in my sedan, I replaced the halogen with the bi-xenon...it is plug and play....just have to have to computer set to XENON present.
they'll still work without the reset...just have to turn the lites on 10 secs before the ignition
they'll still work without the reset...just have to turn the lites on 10 secs before the ignition
10-16-2002, 05:02 PM
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2002 Mercedes C240 Desert Silver Java Interior
Bi-Xenon on Desert Silver Sedan?
Hey, just wondered what you think about a desert silver (beige) C240 with the Bi-xenons. I really liked how they look on a silver sedan, but not sure if it will be too sporty/aggressive on mine. I plan on keeping it stock all the way, other than maybe getting the wood steering wheel eventually. So what do you think?
10-16-2002, 06:41 PM
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Flash to Pass Ilumination Speed
Anyone have any real life experience with the bi-xenons?
I am curious at how quickly the high beams illuminate when using the flash to pass feature as compared to hallogens.
I use that alot ;-)
I am curious at how quickly the high beams illuminate when using the flash to pass feature as compared to hallogens.
I use that alot ;-)
10-16-2002, 06:58 PM
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Re: Flash to Pass Ilumination Speed
Originally posted by todd
I am curious at how quickly the high beams illuminate when using the flash to pass feature as compared to hallogens.
I am curious at how quickly the high beams illuminate when using the flash to pass feature as compared to hallogens.
It does not have 2 Xenon bulbs, but has 1 Halogen high beam bulb and switching reflecting plate at the 1 and only low beam Xenon bulb.
greetingz,
10-16-2002, 07:28 PM
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Re: Re: Flash to Pass Ilumination Speed
Originally posted by MBenzNL
High beam is just the simple regukar Halogen bulb in the inner circle of the headlight...Bi Xenon means that the headlight has a reflecting plate that gets switched over when changing from low beam to high beam and back...it just redirects the beam pattern of the low beam Xenon bulb a bit.
It does not have 2 Xenon bulbs, but has 1 Halogen high beam bulb and switching reflecting plate at the 1 and only low beam Xenon bulb.
greetingz,
High beam is just the simple regukar Halogen bulb in the inner circle of the headlight...Bi Xenon means that the headlight has a reflecting plate that gets switched over when changing from low beam to high beam and back...it just redirects the beam pattern of the low beam Xenon bulb a bit.
It does not have 2 Xenon bulbs, but has 1 Halogen high beam bulb and switching reflecting plate at the 1 and only low beam Xenon bulb.
greetingz,
10-16-2002, 07:49 PM
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Group Buy for Mercedes W203 OEM Bi-Xenon Coupes and Sedan
I am thinking about organising a group buy for the original mercedes Bi-Xenon headlight assembly as I think many people will be interested.
However we should first get a part number and try to see which MB dealers or parts store (Autoclass, bekkers) will be interested in this buy
However we should first get a part number and try to see which MB dealers or parts store (Autoclass, bekkers) will be interested in this buy
