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Old Dec 17, 2023 | 02:03 PM
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M271 MAF readings at idle

Hello, guys I have w203 m271 engine, so the problem is that it's running lean and I'm trying to find why. All the pcv stuff is new and almost every gasket and o ring of the intake is new, so don't think it's a vaccum leak. I smoke it once and it was a o ring at the intake manifold connecting to hose going to brake booster. And after fixing this still running lean at 8% ltft at idle and getting to 15-19% at acceleration. So at idle and operating temperature the maf is reading 3- 3.5 g/s in Drive gear, which I think is too much for this engine? I think it's the original one. Can someone with this engine tell me at idle and what's the value of the maf 😀

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Old Dec 18, 2023 | 09:18 AM
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Hey there, I don’t have specific data about your vehicle's MAF (Mass Air Flow) sensor readings. However, I can provide some general guidance.

In most engines, at idle, the MAF sensor reading would typically be relatively low, often ranging from 2 to 5 grams per second (g/s), though this can vary depending on the engine's displacement, condition, and the manufacturer's specifications.

Given your specific readings of 3 to 3.5 g/s at idle, it's slightly higher but might not necessarily indicate an issue if the engine is otherwise running smoothly without any noticeable symptoms of running lean (such as rough idling or misfires). However, if you're experiencing high long-term fuel trim values (LTFT) and it's consistently indicating a lean condition, it might warrant further investigation.

Here are a few considerations:

MAF Sensor Testing: Ensure your MAF sensor is functioning correctly by cleaning it (if possible, using MAF sensor cleaner) or potentially replacing it. Dirty or malfunctioning MAF sensors can cause inaccurate readings, leading to fuel mixture problems.

Check for Vacuum Leaks: Even after replacing gaskets and O-rings, there might still be a vacuum leak somewhere in the intake system. Check thoroughly for any leaks using a smoke test or other diagnostic methods.

Inspect Other Components: Evaluate the functionality of components such as the oxygen sensors, fuel pressure regulator, and even the exhaust system for any potential issues that might contribute to a lean fuel condition.

Given the complexity of the issue and your specific vehicle model, it might be helpful to consult with a professional mechanic who has experience with your W203 M271 engine. They can perform more in-depth diagnostics using specialized tools and knowledge, including a full system scanner like youcanic scanner that can read specific fault codes to pinpoint the exact issue.

Hope this helps.. Sorry for the long reply..
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Old Dec 20, 2023 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Vin_16
Hey there, I don’t have specific data about your vehicle's MAF (Mass Air Flow) sensor readings. However, I can provide some general guidance.

In most engines, at idle, the MAF sensor reading would typically be relatively low, often ranging from 2 to 5 grams per second (g/s), though this can vary depending on the engine's displacement, condition, and the manufacturer's specifications.

Given your specific readings of 3 to 3.5 g/s at idle, it's slightly higher but might not necessarily indicate an issue if the engine is otherwise running smoothly without any noticeable symptoms of running lean (such as rough idling or misfires). However, if you're experiencing high long-term fuel trim values (LTFT) and it's consistently indicating a lean condition, it might warrant further investigation.

Here are a few considerations:

MAF Sensor Testing: Ensure your MAF sensor is functioning correctly by cleaning it (if possible, using MAF sensor cleaner) or potentially replacing it. Dirty or malfunctioning MAF sensors can cause inaccurate readings, leading to fuel mixture problems.

Check for Vacuum Leaks: Even after replacing gaskets and O-rings, there might still be a vacuum leak somewhere in the intake system. Check thoroughly for any leaks using a smoke test or other diagnostic methods.

Inspect Other Components: Evaluate the functionality of components such as the oxygen sensors, fuel pressure regulator, and even the exhaust system for any potential issues that might contribute to a lean fuel condition.

Given the complexity of the issue and your specific vehicle model, it might be helpful to consult with a professional mechanic who has experience with your W203 M271 engine. They can perform more in-depth diagnostics using specialized tools and knowledge, including a full system scanner like youcanic scanner that can read specific fault codes to pinpoint the exact issue.

Hope this helps.. Sorry for the long reply..
Thanks for the suggestions, but for now I think the colprit is the maf. So car I use also is Mazda 6 2.3 automatic engine, and I can compare some things, I don't know how informative is, but at operating temperature, the Mazda also reads 3.5 g/s at idle but the engine is 0.5 liters more and I more and more lean towards the MAF is reporting too much? So i watched one video at YouTube where some dude compared new OEM maf vs his old broken one by measuring with multimeter different pins and between two of them he had like 7k ohm and between two others had diode reading, that's on the good one, on broken one it had no diode and very high mega ohms, mine maf is reading like his broken one... The one thing that stops me from buying new one is the price of like 250 Usd for pierburg and not knowing if it will fix the lean mixture. The only problem I'm having is that it's having a bit more fuel consumption and it's not cool 😀
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