r3v1ls

I have a 2002 c230k with a 6speed manual, and i drive it pretty nice around usually but sometimes i just gotta have some fun :v . I know all about the DYNO mode so the ESP kicking in is no concern. I've tried doing a 4000rpm + clutch drop and is it just me, or does it sometimes not let you drop the clutch? I've had an instance where all it does is rev the engine up and not engage the gears. Just wondering if that's another system MB has implemented. I've been pretty succesful at spinning the rear tires for 4-5 sec on dry pavement. Wondering how the rest of you guys do our burnouts with the manuals. At what rpm's do you drop the clutch, or do you do a clutch slip instead? I'm also aware that a bunch of people will start complaining about it being bad for the tires, trans etc. But this isn't your car, so why would u care ?
PS: i'll get a vid up of my car doing some burnouts, donuts, and drifts in the coming weeks :p, so stay tuned

blkc230k

nice! id love to see some videos.. as of how to do that.. i dunno either... (driving an auto myself)

inFiniTE LooP

i dont know if i'm correct in saying this, but isn't a clutch slip worse for your car since you're effectively burning the hell outta your clutch? i've been told and have read other places that the clutch drop is better because all of the engine power is brought straight to the wheels and not shredding your clutch...i realize this isn't any kind of answer you were lookin for, just thought i'd bring it up and get corrected if i was wrong

oh yea, and bring on those vids! (my car's an automatic :o )

respdoc

I will be waiting in suspense...

dead_eye

I'm able to do (short) burnouts by brake torquing. I too have an automatic. I haven't done anything on dyno mode, but it'll probably be more fun to try that out.

ChristianJan

sounds awesome. cant wait for the vids. you into racing your c230k like me?

Deutscher_Wagen

Me too, and it's super easy to burn rubber, with the 05: press the ESP button and punch it

but I don't do that all to often... cause I actualy do care about my tranny and tires ... JK

inFiniTE LooP

hmmm, i've got a 2004.5 C230K and any time i floor it without holding the brake down first, there is always perhaps a half second of lag before i get going, and my tires never burn rubber, anyone else getting this or am i the only one? (if i am i'm definitely gettin my car checked out!)

firstkill

When i had my all season, I wouldnt even need to do a 4k rpm drop
3k is enough to do a short burn out. We dont have enough power to do
a long burn out. And i have the orginal asp alum pully still on my car.

When i switch to my falkens azeins i can not really do burn outs.. drifting is 10x more hard.... and now i dont even try..

the tires made a HUGE difference.


~fk

LaZyC230K

I have a 2004.5 c230k coupe too, it is hard for me to do burn out by just punching it while its standing still. Is it becuz the tire? is the Michellin too grippy??

r3v1ls

Yah Clutch slip is probably worse on the clutch cuz u would be burning it. I'm guessin the reason it is soo hard to do burnouts on the c230's is because of the grippy rubber. The car has enough power to spin the tires, it's got more torque than horses . I'm still wondering if the car restricts high RPM clutch drops. I live in LA so it's uhh little hard to race anything in all this traffic and all the cops :-/. And i've never taken it to a track. I'll hopefully get a vid this weekend or the next.

Deutscher_Wagen

we aren't taking about a glorious 10 minute burn out here, but without touching the breaks I can get a burn before it catches. I also have the stock micheline tires on it (rear has 245's, before 2005 I think they only had 225's)... by the way, those tires are incredible.

nukblazi

Remember there is more then the clutch to worry about. Just reving even though the clutch pedal is out. That's clutch burn my friend. I've broken two ring gears and one pinion, yes, a pinion. There's more that can break too.

Anyway, let the tach bounce at 4, just keep the pedal floored, let the clutch out in stages, and feather the gas to control the slide. If you really want to get the back end loose, turn the wheel into the opposite direction you want the slide to go.

W/K23 pulley, lwt flywheel and 6-puck clutch, I could light the *** end up for a good hundred yards coming out of a tight turn in second. Off a straight launch, even with the RA-1 race rubber, I can light them up for 4 - 5 seconds then 1 - 2 in seconds. I have all seasons on right now. I am scared what I could do to these. :v

inFiniTE LooP

hmmm, maybe i should drive somebody elses C230 then, because i swear when i floor the gas, i sit there for a little bit before i even start moving and i definitely dont receive all of the power at once until i'm already in motion

Deutscher_Wagen

are you sure traction control is disabled?

the road type and condition also play a large factor.

Granite230K

I have a manual and I usually drop it around 3500 no more that 4 usually. It will spin hard but its kinda pointless since it is a one wheel special. The most fun is in the wet or the snow. Also 3-3500 is a good rpm cause you get the power down well. I've never really experienced any hesitation, only the right rear just spinning if i gave too much gas.

nukblazi

Road type, tires, etc. play a role. So does owning a stock 1.8.


Granite, if you floor it going around a turn you will get the one wheel special, the inside wheel. Probably if you were brake torqing in an auto too.

If you have a manual, get the tires starting to spin, get the clutch released then ease into the brake while still flooring it. Depending on how good you are you can work both the brake and clutch with your left foot. You will get a nasty two wheeler going. All else fails, throw down some water/amonia mix and let it rip.

inFiniTE LooP

well, i do believe i stand corrected (for today anyhow ) i just went out and floored it with the traction control off and got some VERY decent wheel spin happening, i then drove a bit further, turned the traction control back on and floored it and still got a little bit of wheel spin before the ESP kicked in. i could have sworn that i have never gotten this to happen before and it could very well be due to the roads here being so heavily coated with salt that they look bleach white now, anyhow, i'm gonna try it again on some non-salted roads, but as of now, it looks like my car is capable of doing it and perhaps i really didn't have the ESP off before when i was trying thanks for the help

Deutscher_Wagen

with your description earlier, that's what is sounded like

mctwin2kman

Yeah I have hit the button and hit the gas a few seconds later and found sometimes it does not disable if you do not hit the button ahead of time. I have also been kicking the *** end out before and had the ESP turn back on due to the car sliding all around, although I had intended to slide all around I do not think the computer liked that so much.

As for smoking the tires with a 6 speed. I hold the brake with my right foot and hit the gas at the same time, only bringin it to about 1500-2000 RPM and let the clutch out and release the brake a hair while still holding it and can sit and spin them til they pop if I want. Only did this once or twice because tires aint cheap. I have more fun now actually pushing it to its limits without tire slip, since that is the best way to actually do it. Being at the hairy edge of the tires ability without breaking loose it the best way to go!

nukblazi

Spinning tires isn't fast, never was, never will be. It's just fun. I am ritualistic about doing this when I need to get new tires. "But honey, look at my back tires. They're bald!"

It is unfortunate how "un-heel-toe friendly" the pedal configuration is in these cars. You've got to be a contorsionist to do it well. I just use my left foot on the brake and clutch because a. they are closer to each other and b. my left foot ends on the brake anyway.

mctwin2kman

Yeah while I was on the way to get the new tires put on last time, I left quite a bit of rubber all over the place!

Outland

Burnouts are a LOT easier in the 2002, with the M111. If youve got a 1.8 and an automatic...pretty much forget it unless you run all seasons on really glazed asphalt.

r3v1ls

Hey everyone, thanks for the kickass feedback to this , learned a lotta stuff i didn't know before. Anyways, i went out to my friend's today, and had a lil fun :v . Oh and we also recorded it too. The stuff came out much better than i expected it :p . It's currently being edited by my friend, so i'll either post it up later tonite or sometime tommorow, so stay tuned!

eason

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