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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 03:15 PM
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S420merc, out of curiosity, when did you order your 350 and do you have a delivery date yet?
I ordered my car on August 27th 2008 i got the C350 Sport with Steel Mettalic paint P2 18" wheels and the MM system. MSRP is 43,285 i got about 1800 off sticker. The Dealer said that i should get delivery about October 22nd since there is a constraint on the 18" wheels and the MM system.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 03:24 PM
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Not bad...you ordered a week after me and are scheduled for delivery about the same time. Must be the east coast thing...
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 03:37 PM
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Easy entry feature saves only 50 bucks? Dream on.

<<Read BMW forum, everyone chooses easy access option, however Mercedes decided to do not include this option at all. $50 save per car and millions lose in sales profit.>>

Boy, are you uninformed on this one. First of all, easy entry is tied into seat memory and right mirror tiltdown and is easily the most trouble prone sytem in the car. And, there is collateral damage. The warranty repairs just on these components has to run in the millions.

My '01 C320 has easy entry and the problems related to it started when the car was new and continue to this day, regardless of how many times the seat memory module has been replaced. More times than I can count.

For those who don't know what easy entry is, when you pull the key out of the slot, the steering column motors up and the seat motors back. When you reinsert the key, the process is supposed to reverse itself. The common failure is that the seat comes forward to the position set in memory but the column does not come down. This still happens about 1/2 the time but I just push the memory button on the door to bring it down or use the control on the dash. The other very common intermittent failure is the right mirror tilts down when reverse is selected but then fails to come back up. This is also controlled by the same memory module.

Another hidden problem is that every time you get in or out, the seat moves a little bit and over time the tracks wear out. My driver's seat track lost a tooth or two because of this and the whole seat bottom, tracks, memory module and all were replaced under warranty, of course.

So, taking away seat memory and eliminating all these features we have been complaining about losing is a way to cut down on the warranty claims on a system MB could never get right.

I still want it as an option.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 03:47 PM
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SLR stick?

<<Now, the SLR comes in standard only...and even then you'd have people complaining that it cost $500K and doesn't even come with an automatic option!!>>

The SLR's one and only transmission is a five speed automatic with various modes including one they refer as "manual" but is not.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Dema
Does he read the digest ever? BMW beats in sales C class because no manual, no 300+hp engine, no keyless go, no memory seats... Why Mercedes can't buy manual from BMW? For example BMW takes automatic from GM, and it is smart move. Another thing. Mercedes did a good profit on keyless go asking $1000 for it, but time was changed. Now every 20K+ car has it as almost standard option. Read BMW forum, everyone chooses easy access option, however Mercedes decided to do not include this option at all. $50 save per car and millions lose in sales profit. Is Mercedes smart? Only in losing customers and money.
Wow, I had to laugh. Why in the world would BMW let Mercedes use their transmission in the C when it's trying to compete with the 3? BMW and GM aren't really competitors so that doesn't matter.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 04:01 PM
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Does the passenger side mirror tilt down when u put the car into R on the C350 its a great feature and all my cars have it.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RLE
The SLR's one and only transmission is a five speed automatic with various modes including one they refer as "manual" but is not.
Good catch...I had heard it had a manual and didn't bother to verify before posting.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by S420merc
Does the passenger side mirror tilt down when u put the car into R on the C350 its a great feature and all my cars have it.
There were some discussions on some prior posts regarding this. I believe the answer is no, it does not. However I admit that I have driven a few 350's and have yet to actually check that out to be sure. I rarely use that feature because I don't have to parallel park too much.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 04:24 PM
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97 Nissan Maxima, On order '08 C350; AW, Grey/Black Tex, P2, MM, 18"
What dealer?

DVD navigation and 18" wheels and nice sound system and only cost me $41,500. a comparable 335i would cost $51k or so and u cant get a discount on the E92 and i got $1800 off the MSRP of $43,285.00
Hello All. S420, are you at liberty to divulge which dealer gave you such a great discount? This is my first post and I have been reading most of the threads pertaining to the W204 with considerable interest. I tried three dealers and none of them would budge off MSRP. I was able to secure chrome mirrors and door handle inserts with my order though. I also considered the E90 335 but decided the C350 was a better fit. The features included in the P2 and MM packages outweighed my desire for blistering performance, memory seats and Comfort Access, plus my wallet liked the 5k savings compared to the Bimmer. The 350 is quick enough although I'll have to scale back how many stoplight drags I so dreamed of doing.
Gave the dealer a deposit on Labor Day but I don't have an order date or anything like that...

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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ajscratch
Gave the dealer a deposit on Labor Day but I don't have an order date or anything like that...

AJ
You should get your build date soon after Sept 15. I'd guess you'll take delivery early November...that is, unless they can find you one that has already been shipped and not spoken for. The 18" rims apparently are still causing a hold up.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 06:13 PM
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Thanks, MBTex.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 06:36 PM
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Thanks, MBTex.
Your welcome...there are several of us on this forum that are very impatiently awaiting our recent orders as well.

Last edited by MBTex; Sep 11, 2007 at 06:40 PM.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 07:10 PM
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Does anyone remember the 190e?
It was the predecessor to the C class sedan.
Mine was a 2.4l w/5 speed- it was a sweet car- transmission was silky smooth. And the car was also quite sporty in its day.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 07:26 PM
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190e?

<<Does anyone remember the 190e? It was the predecessor to the C class sedan. Mine was a 2.4l w/5 speed- it was a sweet car- transmission was silky smooth. And the car was also quite sporty in its day.>>

I remember the 190E very well. I bought two of them new. First, an '85 which was the worst car I ever owned and then an '89 2.6 which was better but still unreliable.

The '85 spent many days at the dealer during the four years I put up with it, with repairs to every major component and most of the minor ones. The '89's repair history included a head overhaul and new rings at 70K miles because of a factory error in assembly. All covered by the warranty, thank God.

At the time there were six friends in my social circle with '85-'86 190Es and all but one were the same and they all dumped them after a few years because they were fed up with fixing them.

The dealers hated them, too.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Moviela
Mercedes is Smart, and they go on sale next spring in the US. (I couldn't leave that line alone, sorry.)

They do read forums, and a digest is prepared for the CEO.


SO your saying a c350 manual is coming to the us? where did you get this information?
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 09:00 PM
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SO your saying a c350 manual is coming to the us? where did you get this information?
No, he was referring to the Smart car. lol

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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 09:05 PM
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Yeah why don't you ask them why don't they make the ///AMG cars with stick as a option
I agree .


i would get the c63 amg if it was in stick...wtf...
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Old Sep 12, 2007 | 12:28 AM
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Wow, I had to laugh. Why in the world would BMW let Mercedes use their transmission in the C when it's trying to compete with the 3? BMW and GM aren't really competitors so that doesn't matter.
Actually, BMW doesn't build its own manual transmissions either. They are built under contract by ZF or Getrag, depending on application.
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