Coming Back to Benz? C350 vs. 335i
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Bottom line: if you have the choice, definitely consider euro delivery. You don't necessarily have to pay euro MSRP either; I know on BMWs at least, you can negotiate euro invoice + reasonable markup. Leasing works out well too - your cap cost is the above (euro invoice + markup), but your residual is based on US MSRP.
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To those who mention the price difference between 335i and c350, how about free maintenance for 4 years for 335i? How much is it for oil change and brake service on Merc dealership again? Performance wise c350 is not anywhere close to 335i (especially chipped one). Also, my brother in-law who is about 6'0 tall can never find a comfortable position in his c350 drivers seat, but said he was very comfortable in 335i...go figure.
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BMW schedule maintenance is 12k miles which the warranty is 5yr/50k miles. during the warranty period at most you will be doing 4 oil changes and 1 brake pads change at 25-30k miles unless you really eat up the brakes. with independent shops specialize in BMW/MB using OEM filters and pads your cost for 4 oil change and inspection is probably less than $400 and brake pads for another $100-150 and even if you do change the rotor that's only another $500 with the pads. The maintenance cost difference is only 1/4 of the price difference between the 335 and C350. EVEN if you go to the dealer for service A and B the cost of 4 trips would only be around $1000 and no one in their right mind would replace the brakes at the dealership.
it's all about marketing that makes you believe that you are saving money with the free maintenance.
my best childhood friend who's like my little bro got his 2007 335i coupe loaded for $52k at the end of 2007. one of my friend's relative just picked up a fully loaded C350 with every option for $38-39k (granted it's barolo red that no one wants). is the free maintenance enough to make you spent $14k more on the 335 coupe? don't think so.
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Re: Euro Delivery, I am surprised there is little to no discussion on the MB boards. Go to bimmerfest and see the dedicated forum there; every single detail, nuance and question can be (or has been) answered. The driving itinerary discussions I find to be especially interesting (IMO).
Bottom line: if you have the choice, definitely consider euro delivery. You don't necessarily have to pay euro MSRP either; I know on BMWs at least, you can negotiate euro invoice + reasonable markup. Leasing works out well too - your cap cost is the above (euro invoice + markup), but your residual is based on US MSRP.
Bottom line: if you have the choice, definitely consider euro delivery. You don't necessarily have to pay euro MSRP either; I know on BMWs at least, you can negotiate euro invoice + reasonable markup. Leasing works out well too - your cap cost is the above (euro invoice + markup), but your residual is based on US MSRP.
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anyone who put the free maintenance for argument is ![crazy](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/crazy.gif)
BMW schedule maintenance is 12k miles which the warranty is 5yr/50k miles. during the warranty period at most you will be doing 4 oil changes and 1 brake pads change at 25-30k miles unless you really eat up the brakes. with independent shops specialize in BMW/MB using OEM filters and pads your cost for 4 oil change and inspection is probably less than $400 and brake pads for another $100-150 and even if you do change the rotor that's only another $500 with the pads. The maintenance cost difference is only 1/4 of the price difference between the 335 and C350. EVEN if you go to the dealer for service A and B the cost of 4 trips would only be around $1000 and no one in their right mind would replace the brakes at the dealership.
it's all about marketing that makes you believe that you are saving money with the free maintenance.
my best childhood friend who's like my little bro got his 2007 335i coupe loaded for $52k at the end of 2007. one of my friend's relative just picked up a fully loaded C350 with every option for $38-39k (granted it's barolo red that no one wants). is the free maintenance enough to make you spent $14k more on the 335 coupe? don't think so.
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BMW schedule maintenance is 12k miles which the warranty is 5yr/50k miles. during the warranty period at most you will be doing 4 oil changes and 1 brake pads change at 25-30k miles unless you really eat up the brakes. with independent shops specialize in BMW/MB using OEM filters and pads your cost for 4 oil change and inspection is probably less than $400 and brake pads for another $100-150 and even if you do change the rotor that's only another $500 with the pads. The maintenance cost difference is only 1/4 of the price difference between the 335 and C350. EVEN if you go to the dealer for service A and B the cost of 4 trips would only be around $1000 and no one in their right mind would replace the brakes at the dealership.
it's all about marketing that makes you believe that you are saving money with the free maintenance.
my best childhood friend who's like my little bro got his 2007 335i coupe loaded for $52k at the end of 2007. one of my friend's relative just picked up a fully loaded C350 with every option for $38-39k (granted it's barolo red that no one wants). is the free maintenance enough to make you spent $14k more on the 335 coupe? don't think so.
Yeah, what he said....
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I drove them both and I must say that the 335 does handle better...and looks better from some angles also. The BMW interior looks better with the Premium package...then again, you'll be well over your target price (if it matters). During my test drive, you had to get the Premium package in order to get power seats! That is ridiculous for an entry level "luxury" car.
You can find C-Class' sitting on dealer lots fully loaded without ordering. personally, I'd take the 335 Cpe over the Benz, but if you have a budget, the C-Class appears to be the economical choice. But, I'm sure you'll change your mind several times before July 2009.
You can find C-Class' sitting on dealer lots fully loaded without ordering. personally, I'd take the 335 Cpe over the Benz, but if you have a budget, the C-Class appears to be the economical choice. But, I'm sure you'll change your mind several times before July 2009.
I paid the extra money for the power. If I bought a 328i I felt like I was just buying the name. At that point I would have just kept driving my Z.
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Oil change interval for BMW is 15K miles. Actually it can even be more if you drive not too aggressively. In my case it was 17K, because you can change oil only when computer tells so. However BMW does annual oil change regardless millage. So if you drive a lot you may have only 3 free oil changes. BMW engine eats oil, so more likely you will need to add oil for your expenses. Good thing is that you do not need to worry about finding a cheap place or DIY. So less hassle less harm for your health and as result longer life you can’t buy for nay money.
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Going through the same debate now with myself. I currently own a G35 coupe and am looking to replace it. The one thing that kind of irks me about the C350 is that the seat doesn't feel terribly comfortable, whereas the G35 is very comfortable. I'm not sure if it's that I'm simply not used to it or it actually is?
I'm also looking at an A4.
I'm also looking at an A4.
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I just came from an 09 335i Coupe to a 2011 C350. In terms of luxury, comfort & amenities Benz wins - no contest. If you want a faster car and lots of torque (and HPFP failures), the 335i is the wiser choice. It is definitely more of a true sports car.
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i test drove the 335 sedan and i drive a c300. 335 absolutely wins, so much more driving pleasure. but if you want luxury and reliability, mb would be the way to go. ive been seeing alot of bmw break downs on the road lately
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I think the 335 would be way better. Ive owned a 335 and its the best engine and transmission pair in the world! Ive driven the C350 before and i thought it felt boring and dull (no offence to fellow owners, just my opinion)
Looks is subjective, so im not gonna get into that.
Keep in mind a new 3 series generation is about a year or so away.
Looks is subjective, so im not gonna get into that.
Keep in mind a new 3 series generation is about a year or so away.
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Hopefully will have made up my mind in the next couple of days.
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I would compare the 328 to C300 and 335 to C350 moreso than the C300 and 335. Regardless, that's one of the downfalls to the BMW, break downs aside, I just seem to see so many more of them on the road. Not to mention I think the C-class has much more presence than the BMW does. Design-wise I think the C-class stands out of the crowd where the 3-series just blends in. One of my favorite aspects of the Infiniti G Coupe is that it doesn't look like much else out there.
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We may pass each other...I will likely be going the other way after the F30 launch. But, I need to see what compromises are necessary to have a BMW so that I can still get a manual transmission. I'd put up with iDrive for that, but if in their rush to run flats, they eliminate any underfloor storage in the trunk for a spare, that could be an obstacle. I can't have a mini-spare taking up my trunk. By then, maybe I will check out the all-new Saab 93 with the BMW engine or an A4 if they include a service loaner for life in the deal.
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Drove both C350 and the 335i (also a 135i) before deciding. Also the A4. decided on the the W204. Still have an M3 and a V12 exotic in the US though.
I am glad I bought the C300 Sport. My sons, both of whom have 3 series, think its the perfect car for me.
I am glad I bought the C300 Sport. My sons, both of whom have 3 series, think its the perfect car for me.
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Wow I didnt expect to hear good review on the Merc from you there Bill :p After all of that complaints comment you've made
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Even though I favor MB over BMW - you cannot kid yourself and claim a C350 is better than a 335i. I would personally get a C350 because I do not like coupe's (6'4" - 225lbs) and I do not think the 335i interior, exterior or sound system are as nice.
However, the 335i will CRAP on a C350 in a race. They cannot even be compared at all. The 335i is more expensive fully loaded though, so I guess you are paying for the speed.
If you had a C350 fully tuned that equated to a price of a 335i maybe you can compare the two.
However, the 335i will CRAP on a C350 in a race. They cannot even be compared at all. The 335i is more expensive fully loaded though, so I guess you are paying for the speed.
If you had a C350 fully tuned that equated to a price of a 335i maybe you can compare the two.
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just wondering, didn't he already got a car? he posted this in 2008...
and to townshed, the reason i got MB was because the qaulity of ride can't compared to bimmer. i really love bimmers but i'd never choose bimmer over mb anymore...
i also had a4, is350, bmw 328ci but mb is the best of all. i'll only buy bimmer if i can get a m3 at c350 price. hehhhe
if you really want to test yourself, go to dealer and test drive 335 first and than go test drive c350(mb has a lag when you hit the gas but this is due to safety(mb said), repeat it for 3 times, you probably like mb over bimmer due to quality of ride.
i'm not saying bimmer sucks, but mb better.
so it's like this, choose between s-class and 7 series
or choose between c63 amg (app. 6000 cyl.) and m3(app. 4000 cyl.)
BUT if you are still young and like speed, i guess 335 is better off for you.
and to townshed, the reason i got MB was because the qaulity of ride can't compared to bimmer. i really love bimmers but i'd never choose bimmer over mb anymore...
i also had a4, is350, bmw 328ci but mb is the best of all. i'll only buy bimmer if i can get a m3 at c350 price. hehhhe
if you really want to test yourself, go to dealer and test drive 335 first and than go test drive c350(mb has a lag when you hit the gas but this is due to safety(mb said), repeat it for 3 times, you probably like mb over bimmer due to quality of ride.
i'm not saying bimmer sucks, but mb better.
so it's like this, choose between s-class and 7 series
or choose between c63 amg (app. 6000 cyl.) and m3(app. 4000 cyl.)
BUT if you are still young and like speed, i guess 335 is better off for you.
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Hey ks4life, you own a C200 CGi right? How did you find the engine? I find it rather worrying actually. the lags is terrible, especially when you are cruising @ 60km/h and then have to slow down to 40km/h and then press the gas again. my car "stall" for 2-3 secs before it jump and move.
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denot, yeah i know what you are saying. lags in c200 cgi is terrible so i was thinking to get sprint booster installed to cut the lags out but there are no performance gains so still hesitating. i don't think mine take 2-3 secs but more like 0.5-1 secs or maybe it's just my wrong feelings? hehhe
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denot, yeah i know what you are saying. lags in c200 cgi is terrible so i was thinking to get sprint booster installed to cut the lags out but there are no performance gains so still hesitating. i don't think mine take 2-3 secs but more like 0.5-1 secs or maybe it's just my wrong feelings? hehhe
I'm thinking of trade it in with c250 CGi now...