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I would have to agree with you on this. Yes Lexus is a very safe car, and Im sure they may have beet MB on a few test's. However, I agree with you because MB's have put major focus on preventing an accident in the first place.

So what if a Lexus is slightly safer, I would rather be in the car that has a better chance to avoid the accident in the first place. You gota give it to MB there!

Oh and I do like the Lexus, very soft and smooth cars! Congrats on the new ride bro!

joshg1001

oh right, thats why the lexus LS was aclaimed by many as the more technological advanced vehicle, equipped with a facial recognition to see if a person is paying attention on the road. that seems pretty safe to me. plus, at least their pre collision system is available on EVERY model, not just the higher end ones

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Dude, this isnt a personal attack on you, dont really know why you seem to take this so personal. Thats great they have the Facial recognition system. Why dont you make a list of the safety items for both cars and see if you can convince everyone your right! Im big enought to agree with you IF you can show me what I dont know.

tanktube67

Lexus makes a fine cars so does MB and BMW to each it's own.
Just enjoy the ride.
My two cents.

joshg1001

im not taking it personally. im a fan of both brands but it just bothers me when others say that MB is "safer" than a lexus when that just isnt true

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sorry just had to add this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp2N0gce0-k

AMGTTV8

Alright guys, I'm going to be the first to say that we need to cut this **** out...

We sound like a bunch of 4 yr olds...let's just congratulate the man on his recent purchase, which is what this thread was about in the first place.

Let's leave this discussion where it stands, which is where we all decide to acknowledge that we all have our own views, and some of us will differ with other's opinions, but this shouldn't have turned into personal attacks on anyone.

We are all in this forum because we love our cars, so I say we get back to that!

Chris

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Good, its settled, we are all still friends! lol
Lets promise we will never let a car get between us again!

joshg1001

lol. seriously though, the ISF is a great car. though i always wondered why lexus spent so much r&d into a car that is past mid cycle

dalazernet

Oh my gosh, the arguing! Ok, first of all, congrats on the new car. Wishing you may many happy years of driving enjoyment.

Here's the thing -- people seem to always put up a thick skin in terms of their vehicles, particularly when the vehicles tend to be in the $50k pricerange... and yes, its true that MB has this incredibly long standing history of safety innovation, etc, and many of those technologies were open patents so that other vehicle manufacturers could use them to provide the amazing safety that we've come to know and love from the MB brand name.

Is the Lexus rated as safe as the MB, or safer? Thats for the crash tests to decide etc. But do keep in mind that these crash tests and safety reviews only take into account specific conditions. To what extent each manufacturer goes above and beyond to try to reduce fatalities in above and beyond/extreme conditions, speeds, etc... here's hoping none of us ever has to find out for sure. Just drive on happy, people.

That being said, nice car, congrats, and safe driving to all!

- Eric

FrankW

you are in way over your head bro. childish? so far you are the only one that's doing the name calling and making ridiculous comments after the facts of how both car performs in a frontal and side impact crash are already shown to you which already proved you wrong about Lexus being not as safe as MB.

nice comment on my teddy bear/dust cloth. very mature.

FrankW

and MB doesn't have the feature that keeps the brake pads and rotors dry during wet conditions before BMW. MB doesn't have a heads-up display on the windshield that keeps the driver's eye on the road. MB still doesn't have a bi-xenon that turns according to the degree of the steering wheel to aid the driver to see better around the corner. MB's self stopping system on the S-class failed to stop the car from hitting the car in front in their own press demo. The Volvo on the other hand perfected it. The list goes on on what this manufacturer has and other doesn't. It applies to everyone.

joshg1001

actually frank, while i am on your side, i think our rotors/pads do stay dry when the wipers are turned on. also i tink the S class and higher end models get the adapative headlights

FrankW

I stand corrected. thanks

edit: the adaptive headlight's only on the S/CL right now I believe. The rest only gets the corner assist feature where the foglight comes on which doesn't do much good while BMW has it on all cars and now Lexus is following.

AMGTTV8

Where did you read this? A mickey mouse magazine?

That stuff was introduced in 2000 or 2001 if my memory serves me correctly on the cars with brake-by wire and is now replaced with the pre-safe system

I guess that the bi-xenon headlamps with active curve illumination that I had on my E weren't there, nor are they on the ML, GL, G, S, SL, SLK, CLK, E or CL as equipped w/P2...woops

All the above also have cornering foglamps, which is what our C's are equipped with with the P2 Pack, but they don't have active curve illuminating bi-xenons.

Nice English btw.

AMGTTV8

And as to press demo's, if my memory serves me correctly, didn't Lexus do the same thing on more than one occasion with their asinine self-parking system?

Jae Duk

Congrats on the car. I was going to get it till one of my friends got it.

joshg1001

lol actually the advanced parking guidance system that failed wasnt done by lexus. wasnt it done by a group of overly sarcastic people? i think i remember seeing that video. and this thread has reached new heights...

FrankW

read the above post responded to joshg. I already stated I stand corrected. thanks for the correction again. did not know they made it's way into the other models already. the SLK and CLK however i know for sure they don't have the active bi-xenons.

FrankW

TOP GEAR tried it on their show, but they didn't bother reading the instructions. lol makes it a funny segment tho.

been to the Lexus test drive events and personally tested out the parking guidance they were letting ppl demo. it's pretty good and certainly didn't hit anything on it's way backing into the space.

joshg1001

i thought he was talking about this video:

http://www.automobilemag.com/multime...deo/index.html

FrankW

never seen that one, but it's pretty funny. people doesn't seem to get the limitation of this system which you have to put the car in a reasonable postion, so that the system can actually guide the car in while you are applying the brakes (it doesn't brake for you).

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micropower99

All in all, everyone has their own opinions and preferences. There is no "wrong" choice when buying your own car. (Unless it's a *******g smartcar haha)

AMGTTV8

On a side note, I was completely stunned that Top Gear didn't succeed here in the States.

Quite a shame as it is so incredibly entertaining. I'm sorry, but MotorTrend tv does not compare, even when they are racing the cars around..

AMGTTV8

Out of curiosity, just checked MBUSA on Active Curve Illumination and stand somewhat corrected.

The only cars that don't have it are the R, SLK, and C...