A4 faster than C350!!!!!
07-09-2009, 04:50 PM
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The M3 is a great car, especially at the track, but I'm sorry, the whole car world doesn't revolve around going fast in a track. Side by side, the new M3, although great in handling, isn't great in reliability compared to the C63. Common E90/92 problems of ignition coil failures, complete EDC malfunctions, and broken DSC systems that BMW has NO IDEA how to fix? Yep.. I'll take those horrible rear w204 doorpins over that anyday.
07-09-2009, 06:03 PM
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I really like the fact his 3 post history and generic M3 picture and claims he has one.
The M3 is a great car, especially at the track, but I'm sorry, the whole car world doesn't revolve around going fast in a track. Side by side, the new M3, although great in handling, isn't great in reliability compared to the C63. Common E90/92 problems of ignition coil failures, complete EDC malfunctions, and broken DSC systems that BMW has NO IDEA how to fix? Yep.. I'll take those horrible rear w204 doorpins over that anyday.
The M3 is a great car, especially at the track, but I'm sorry, the whole car world doesn't revolve around going fast in a track. Side by side, the new M3, although great in handling, isn't great in reliability compared to the C63. Common E90/92 problems of ignition coil failures, complete EDC malfunctions, and broken DSC systems that BMW has NO IDEA how to fix? Yep.. I'll take those horrible rear w204 doorpins over that anyday.
07-09-2009, 07:44 PM
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C350 and a Lightning.
It's got to be apples to apples.
The one kook (who prly can't drive yet) is doing a M3 vrs C350 comparo?
M3 vrs C63 good. On a track with equal tires, a drivers race.
Which would I rather own? C63 all day.
A4 vrs C350, C350 ftw.
330 vrs C350, pretty equal.
Now a 335 is another story, or an S4? It's got to be apples to apples.
All jmo.
The one kook (who prly can't drive yet) is doing a M3 vrs C350 comparo?
M3 vrs C63 good. On a track with equal tires, a drivers race.
Which would I rather own? C63 all day.
A4 vrs C350, C350 ftw.
330 vrs C350, pretty equal.
Now a 335 is another story, or an S4? It's got to be apples to apples.
All jmo.
07-09-2009, 10:42 PM
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I will agree the c63 is a great car, okay. But I love the M3.
C350 is also nice.
But I have driven the A4 myself and my brother has driven it also, we both agree its a nice car, but its slow, very slow.
C350 is also nice.
But I have driven the A4 myself and my brother has driven it also, we both agree its a nice car, but its slow, very slow.
07-09-2009, 10:46 PM
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Of course it's going to be slow when you compare it to a 414hp BMW M3!
07-09-2009, 11:00 PM
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07-09-2009, 11:07 PM
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I was shocked too, but i guess its true, quote from C&D:
A4:
The major change to the engine for '09 is the addition of variable valve timing, which adds 11 horsepower and an impressive 51 pound-feet of torque. Although it's down 54 horsepower to the 3.2-liter V-6, the four-cylinder's 0-to-60 time of 5.7 seconds was quick enough to match the acceleration of the V-6 version.
C350:
Our '08 C350 Sport achieved 60 mph in 6.0 seconds and ran the quarter in 14.6 at 97 mph. How much of the disparity is attributable to manual versus automatic?
So, what's the point of getting a C350 then? It's smaller, more gas guzzling, and is slower. I guess you're just buying the badge then
And yes, i know these were probably done with crazy brake boosted launches or neutral drops...even with more power, its slower
A4:
The major change to the engine for '09 is the addition of variable valve timing, which adds 11 horsepower and an impressive 51 pound-feet of torque. Although it's down 54 horsepower to the 3.2-liter V-6, the four-cylinder's 0-to-60 time of 5.7 seconds was quick enough to match the acceleration of the V-6 version.
C350:
Our '08 C350 Sport achieved 60 mph in 6.0 seconds and ran the quarter in 14.6 at 97 mph. How much of the disparity is attributable to manual versus automatic?
So, what's the point of getting a C350 then? It's smaller, more gas guzzling, and is slower. I guess you're just buying the badge then
And yes, i know these were probably done with crazy brake boosted launches or neutral drops...even with more power, its slower
What is your point? There is absolutely no doubt that a C350 is far superior to an A4 anytime/anywhere, clearly, the article you quote is biased or simply wrong. I looked at an 09 A4 before I bought a C350, and even if it has more room in the back seat, I assure you is not faster than a C350 nor does it ride/look/feel better in any way.
07-09-2009, 11:15 PM
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C63 AMG(sold), 2009 CL550, 2010 S550 Majestic Black, 2010 ML550, 2006 C230, 2009 Venza
IDK why you guys bother so much if the A4 is faster than the C350. Heck, the CTS-V is faster than the C63 and i could care less about it. When you have the better overall, who cares if the competition is .5 secs faster than you?
07-09-2009, 11:32 PM
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What is your point? There is absolutely no doubt that a C350 is far superior to an A4 anytime/anywhere, clearly, the article you quote is biased or simply wrong. I looked at an 09 A4 before I bought a C350, and even if it has more room in the back seat, I assure you is not faster than a C350 nor does it ride/look/feel better in any way.
My prediction on the result... they are all slower than monkey b@lls. We aren't in some high-end supercar. We are in "entry-level" luxury sedans.
I wouldn't try to hit Audi on past reliability problems.. some of that stems from people not knowing how to drive turbos... some of it is legit issues. MB has had the SAME issues in many of the product lines over the years. At the end of the day both are nice rides and it comes down to personal preference on which is the "better" car. Many cars are fast than both... many are slower. Much of it also has to do with the driver. I can put my wife in an Enzo and still smoke her in a c300.
07-10-2009, 05:11 AM
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What is your point? There is absolutely no doubt that a C350 is far superior to an A4 anytime/anywhere, clearly, the article you quote is biased or simply wrong. I looked at an 09 A4 before I bought a C350, and even if it has more room in the back seat, I assure you is not faster than a C350 nor does it ride/look/feel better in any way.
it doesn't even have to wait for the S4 or the RS4 for the interior to match with that of the M3 and C63. The S-line optional package on the B8 is already on par with the fit and finish and might be even better in seats and steering wheel as well.
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07-10-2009, 02:50 PM
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+1, there are a lot of cars that will do 0-60 even faster for less $$$, so why would we buy A4 or 350? Different people are looking for different things in their cars. I like audi and test drove 09 A4 and the "non existent" turbo lag along with auto was terrible.
I thought audi's interior was no better than VW, but the interior is like exterior, very subjective.
lol...the B8 A4 has far superior interior than the W204. I guess I'm biased...but wait I have a W204.
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07-11-2009, 09:02 AM
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+1, there are a lot of cars that will do 0-60 even faster for less $$$, so why would we buy A4 or 350? Different people are looking for different things in their cars. I like audi and test drove 09 A4 and the "non existent" turbo lag along with auto was terrible.
I thought audi's interior was no better than VW, but the interior is like exterior, very subjective.
I thought audi's interior was no better than VW, but the interior is like exterior, very subjective.
The Audi interior has lots of hard black plastic and just doesn't feel very wel put together. While cornering left, the center console will creak if you press your knee against it. The trim on the dash blocks the view of the bottom of each dial (an amazing oversight). The speedo reads 180MPH on less than 3/4of the dial sweep...that means 0-80 MPH only gets about 1/4 of the sweep...in most day to day driving you have a hard time to read your speed on such a small dial space. You can't adjust the HVAC if the car is in park...unless you bend your hand around the shifter. The center console is very shallow and the lid intrudes deeply into what space you have. The leather is already acquiring a "patina" after only 6 months...with regular use of Macquires...
I will take the blocky, functional quality of MB all day long...
05-01-2010, 09:16 PM
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I had an 07 A4 Quattro, and I think 0-60 was in the 7s.... the new one only has 11 more hp I cant see it doing it in 5.7 seconds. Either way I feel the c300 is a bit quicker but even if it isnt, I feel the Benz is a better car as it is more comfortable and more luxurious among other things.
05-02-2010, 03:47 PM
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I was shocked too, but i guess its true, quote from C&D:
A4:
The major change to the engine for '09 is the addition of variable valve timing, which adds 11 horsepower and an impressive 51 pound-feet of torque. Although it's down 54 horsepower to the 3.2-liter V-6, the four-cylinder's 0-to-60 time of 5.7 seconds was quick enough to match the acceleration of the V-6 version.
C350:
Our '08 C350 Sport achieved 60 mph in 6.0 seconds and ran the quarter in 14.6 at 97 mph. How much of the disparity is attributable to manual versus automatic?
So, what's the point of getting a C350 then? It's smaller, more gas guzzling, and is slower. I guess you're just buying the badge then
And yes, i know these were probably done with crazy brake boosted launches or neutral drops...even with more power, its slower
A4:
The major change to the engine for '09 is the addition of variable valve timing, which adds 11 horsepower and an impressive 51 pound-feet of torque. Although it's down 54 horsepower to the 3.2-liter V-6, the four-cylinder's 0-to-60 time of 5.7 seconds was quick enough to match the acceleration of the V-6 version.
C350:
Our '08 C350 Sport achieved 60 mph in 6.0 seconds and ran the quarter in 14.6 at 97 mph. How much of the disparity is attributable to manual versus automatic?
So, what's the point of getting a C350 then? It's smaller, more gas guzzling, and is slower. I guess you're just buying the badge then
And yes, i know these were probably done with crazy brake boosted launches or neutral drops...even with more power, its slower
05-03-2010, 02:44 PM
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2014 Ghibli S Q4 & 2008 C350
Jealous! 
Have you run the 1/4mi (or whatever the equivalent is in km) since you upgraded?
Your CK35 has the ECU tune, filters & cat-back exhaust correct? Headers too?
I'm still debating the Kleemann headers and ecu setup. My goal is 5 sec 0-60 & mid 13's in the 1/4mi.
Have you run the 1/4mi (or whatever the equivalent is in km) since you upgraded?
Your CK35 has the ECU tune, filters & cat-back exhaust correct? Headers too?
I'm still debating the Kleemann headers and ecu setup. My goal is 5 sec 0-60 & mid 13's in the 1/4mi.
05-03-2010, 03:55 PM
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It is all very nice and the discussion can go on like the Eveready bunny, forever. The real fact is we all bought certain wheels because there is an attraction toward them that has conquered us. There is no question these three brands are all top notch to their followers and they all have a track record to back it up. So let's leave derogatory epithets and enjoy our rides.
My C350 is such that I was going to change it for an Ew212 when this was released, until I saw it and the switch was not worth to me. I enjoy my C350 thoroughly at all times. I am a sedan person for my use, but found me a length of road where I can safely ride it at 135-140 mph when I so wish, and I do not need more on a road. Now for a track, well there you need a car prepped for competition and the 350 is not it. Nor for that matter any of the standard cars mentioned in this thread.
Cheers,
JV
My C350 is such that I was going to change it for an Ew212 when this was released, until I saw it and the switch was not worth to me. I enjoy my C350 thoroughly at all times. I am a sedan person for my use, but found me a length of road where I can safely ride it at 135-140 mph when I so wish, and I do not need more on a road. Now for a track, well there you need a car prepped for competition and the 350 is not it. Nor for that matter any of the standard cars mentioned in this thread.
Cheers,
JV
05-04-2010, 05:25 AM
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I'd take the CK35 tune from Carlsson over the Kleeman tune if you're just going for intake, ECU, & exhaust. They're roughly the same price but Carlsson warranties your motor for 50,000 miles and Kleeman doesn't warranty anything. I haven't bothered looking for a 1/4 mile track since it's not a 10 second car, but I would guess it's easily high 12s to mid 13s.
05-04-2010, 08:02 AM
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Just had to add that the A4 is having major issues with engine/trans/power steering "stumbling". It is a pretty bad phenomenon that a large number of the new A4s are having and it is a real pain in the *** and makes me nervous to have my girlfriend driving this thing in traffic. Apparently it is a software thing and Audi has not figured out how to alleviate the issue yet.
Even without this long running and worsening issue, the C300 just feels soooo much more substantial and comfortable. I will take my slow, plain interiored car anyday over an well styled but questionable quality A4.
Even without this long running and worsening issue, the C300 just feels soooo much more substantial and comfortable. I will take my slow, plain interiored car anyday over an well styled but questionable quality A4.
07-16-2011, 05:15 AM
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Well the thread started out at C300s and audi A4s then worked up to C350 and 335i then AMG vs M....might as well keep going....MB is KING in all these catagoies over all. Not speaking "classes" BMW stops at the M6, audi stops and the R8 and Lexus stops at the LFA....where does Mercedes stop? The F1 McLaren which smokes all of them....so in classes yes MB may not win all the battles but over all MB wins the war. Let's remember what forum we're on now bimmer n audi fans :P hahaha
07-16-2011, 11:30 AM
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0-60 times dont mean much except for the stop light dragster set. There is much more to driving than that imho. Ive come from a long line of BMWs. Some of them were tracked at some point or another.
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For a daily driver I bought a stripped down 07 BMW328 and got rid of it for a Mercedes C300. I did think of getting an Audi A4. While I didnt test drive the new Audi, and its interior was attractive, I was really impressed with the C300 however. The interior was fantastic compared to older gen C class Mercs. Also the ride was superior to the non sport C that I drove recently.
For some reason, for me at least, when I see a new A4 (and they do look nice) on the street I dont have longing to have one or feel I have a lesser car. The 3 series BMWs look plain ugly (after the E46 M3 everything BMW put out sucked in the looks dept).
Some days I will just get out and drive the Merc. I'll come home and take out the GT3. They are different but wonderful cars each. They do what they were designed to do very well and I enjoy each one for what they are. Who cares about drag racers or youtube videos if you really enjoy driving what you have got? My two cents from a middle aged man!
99 BMW323
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03 BMW M3
99 BMW M3
07 Cayman S
09 Porsche Carrera
10 Porsche GT3 (current)
For a daily driver I bought a stripped down 07 BMW328 and got rid of it for a Mercedes C300. I did think of getting an Audi A4. While I didnt test drive the new Audi, and its interior was attractive, I was really impressed with the C300 however. The interior was fantastic compared to older gen C class Mercs. Also the ride was superior to the non sport C that I drove recently.
For some reason, for me at least, when I see a new A4 (and they do look nice) on the street I dont have longing to have one or feel I have a lesser car. The 3 series BMWs look plain ugly (after the E46 M3 everything BMW put out sucked in the looks dept).
Some days I will just get out and drive the Merc. I'll come home and take out the GT3. They are different but wonderful cars each. They do what they were designed to do very well and I enjoy each one for what they are. Who cares about drag racers or youtube videos if you really enjoy driving what you have got? My two cents from a middle aged man!
