Powerchip special $350 price is back!
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Our normal price for C300/C350 is $690, so at half off it's a steal. You get the throttle improvement of a sprint booster + hp/tq increase + dependent on your driving style an increase in gas mileage.
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The tune is undetectable by the dealership, and yes you can have a full refund if you are not happy with the product. No MB tuning company will pay for parts and labor on repair work that I know of, that being said we've never had that issue come up and don't plan on it anytime soon. It is a pretty straight forward modification.
1. Their tune is detectable by the dealership and will void the warranty on your engine. If you have any ECU related issues (knocking, timing, unusual engine wear or damage) they will image your ECU and examine it for corruption/modifications etc. If they detect tampering/modification they will immediately void your warranty on your engine and you will not have a viable means of legal recourse.
2. Brabus and Carlsson other tuners will pay for parts and labor (at any Mercedes dealership) for any necessary repairs. My personal experience with tuning is from Carlsson, and they provide a written warranty that fully warranties the engine to 4 years and 50,000 miles. You are authorized to use any Mercedes-Benz certified technician for the repairs.
3. Powerchip says they've been in business 20+ years but they've "never had that issue come up"? They've caught people's engines on fire and I'm sure much worse. We've had people in the forums engines knock, seize, and pretty much explode after getting tuned. By presenting this as a "non-issue" completely ignores the fact that there is a risk, their actions are observable and cause an effect on engine performance, they can destroy your engine, and that damage will not be covered under your Mercedes warranty.
Magnusson Moss act was created to protect consumers from dealerships voiding warranties based on use of aftermarket products without just cause. In other words the dealership has to prove whatever malfunction occurs is a direct result of installed aftermarket parts. They can't void or refuse warranty work solely based on the fact that you have something aftermarket installed.
As far as my "agenda" goes, I think companies that can't operate honestly and deal with their customers with the respect they deserve don't deserve to operate in the open without being subjected to the scrutiny they deserve. Accountability isn't a 4-letter word.
Now that I've said that it's probably time for me to get banned again.
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This is a complete false statement and is false advertising.
How this "improved throttle" happens is because the ECU is unplugged and the adaptations of the vehicle is cleared (please search for "Sneaky ECU Reset"). Later the vehicle adapts and your throttle is laggy once again. You will see most members post that they feel better throttle response after the tune. But ask them about their throttle response a week later.
I do agree that you will gain power and also your MPG will improve (not the first month because you will be driving hard
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I'm not trying to bash Powerchip or target them in particular but any Tuner who states their tune will improve throttle like a sprint booster.
This is a complete false statement and is false advertising.
How this "improved throttle" happens is because the ECU is unplugged and the adaptations of the vehicle is cleared (please search for "Sneaky ECU Reset"). Later the vehicle adapts and your throttle is laggy once again. You will see most members post that they feel better throttle response after the tune. But ask them about their throttle response a week later.
I do agree that you will gain power and also your MPG will improve (not the first month because you will be driving hard
).
If I am wrong please let me know![thumbs](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
This is a complete false statement and is false advertising.
How this "improved throttle" happens is because the ECU is unplugged and the adaptations of the vehicle is cleared (please search for "Sneaky ECU Reset"). Later the vehicle adapts and your throttle is laggy once again. You will see most members post that they feel better throttle response after the tune. But ask them about their throttle response a week later.
I do agree that you will gain power and also your MPG will improve (not the first month because you will be driving hard
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If I am wrong please let me know
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And what Powerchip does for drive by wire mapping is pretty much unique.
I will get the techs to prepare up a screen shot specifically for the 350 and post it in the next 48 hours.
We know a lot about the 350, we have had one as a company car for three years as a daily driver, so its not like we just did the development one day and settled for second best.
We own one, and if we want to improve the map we walk outside the office and revise the program on our own car.
We probably should have communicated that we love the 350 engine so much we have owned one for three years, but at least in this thread everyone now knows
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If anyone has any more technical questions please ask away and we will add them to the full technical reply we will make in the next few days.
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Thanks for the questions, its only a handful of tuners that change the drive by wire maps so we understand why some consumers are sceptical about whats changed in a software upgrade.
And what Powerchip does for drive by wire mapping is pretty much unique.
I will get the techs to prepare up a screen shot specifically for the 350 and post it in the next 48 hours.
We know a lot about the 350, we have had one as a company car for three years as a daily driver, so its not like we just did the development one day and settled for second best.
We own one, and if we want to improve the map we walk outside the office and revise the program on our own car.
We probably should have communicated that we love the 350 engine so much we have owned one for three years, but at least in this thread everyone now knows![Smilie](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
If anyone has any more technical questions please ask away and we will add them to the full technical reply we will make in the next few days.
And what Powerchip does for drive by wire mapping is pretty much unique.
I will get the techs to prepare up a screen shot specifically for the 350 and post it in the next 48 hours.
We know a lot about the 350, we have had one as a company car for three years as a daily driver, so its not like we just did the development one day and settled for second best.
We own one, and if we want to improve the map we walk outside the office and revise the program on our own car.
We probably should have communicated that we love the 350 engine so much we have owned one for three years, but at least in this thread everyone now knows
![Smilie](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
If anyone has any more technical questions please ask away and we will add them to the full technical reply we will make in the next few days.
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When did you guys start manipulating the data? Recently? Impressed
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so not all c300 ecu upgrades take in to the consideration that it can use e-85 too?? cause i plan on using e-85 sometimes and then sometimes premium when e-85 isnt around... is this going to be a problem?
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Unfortunately there is no Powerchip upgrade released for the Mercedes-Benz C350 3.5 V6 at this time. Your vehicle has not yet been seen by Powerchip.
Please ensure you have registered your information, so that we may inform you when the Powerchip is released.
copy and paste from the powerchip website..... ???!!!!
Unfortunately there is no Powerchip upgrade released for the Mercedes-Benz C350 3.5 V6 at this time. Your vehicle has not yet been seen by Powerchip.
Please ensure you have registered your information, so that we may inform you when the Powerchip is released.
copy and paste from the powerchip website..... ???!!!!
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Unfortunately there is no Powerchip upgrade released for the Mercedes-Benz C350 3.5 V6 at this time. Your vehicle has not yet been seen by Powerchip.
Please ensure you have registered your information, so that we may inform you when the Powerchip is released.
copy and paste from the powerchip website..... ???!!!!
Unfortunately there is no Powerchip upgrade released for the Mercedes-Benz C350 3.5 V6 at this time. Your vehicle has not yet been seen by Powerchip.
Please ensure you have registered your information, so that we may inform you when the Powerchip is released.
copy and paste from the powerchip website..... ???!!!!
Sorry for the confusion and if you have questions the best way to get in contact with us is via phone or e-mail.
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OBX is what I have...not installed yet. I've done a lot of research and its either OBX or kleemann for best bang for your buck and I know its a HUGE price diff and of course I wanted kleemann but that way out of my budget just for headers. I hope OBX gets similar gains but I can't find anyone who's dynoed a C350 with OBX headers. I don't want guesses I want results so if u find any threads with results pls let me know.
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Sorry we have been working on a new website started from scratch so we haven't been updating the old one. Power figures are scrambled and datasheets are missing. It was a full time job fixing and updating our data to show up correctly on the website and somehow the figures still get messed up on their own so we've started from scratch and are close to releasing the new website.
Sorry for the confusion and if you have questions the best way to get in contact with us is via phone or e-mail.
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Sorry for the confusion and if you have questions the best way to get in contact with us is via phone or e-mail.
Paul
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How long has this issue been going on...? I've been doing research for months and that's what the site has said since february.
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oh ok cool, a lot of people were saying that the OBX headers are replica kleemann so im sure the results will be the same if not much difference. ill be looking forward to seeing your resuts
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The tune will ask for less fuel in certain load conditions than a standard car so the decrease in fuel consumption is a function of that. We don't market "fuel saving chips" as that is not the main purpose of our tuning, but we've had several customers claim a noticeable increase in gas mileage and it was an added bonus to the driving experience of the tune.
I just wanted to clear up some misinformation that has been bothering me since this sponsor had me banned.
1. Their tune is detectable by the dealership and will void the warranty on your engine. If you have any ECU related issues (knocking, timing, unusual engine wear or damage) they will image your ECU and examine it for corruption/modifications etc. If they detect tampering/modification they will immediately void your warranty on your engine and you will not have a viable means of legal recourse.
2. Brabus and Carlsson other tuners will pay for parts and labor (at any Mercedes dealership) for any necessary repairs. My personal experience with tuning is from Carlsson, and they provide a written warranty that fully warranties the engine to 4 years and 50,000 miles. You are authorized to use any Mercedes-Benz certified technician for the repairs.
3. Powerchip says they've been in business 20+ years but they've "never had that issue come up"? They've caught people's engines on fire and I'm sure much worse. We've had people in the forums engines knock, seize, and pretty much explode after getting tuned. By presenting this as a "non-issue" completely ignores the fact that there is a risk, their actions are observable and cause an effect on engine performance, they can destroy your engine, and that damage will not be covered under your Mercedes warranty.
The act was created to prevent manufacturers from voiding the warranty because a consumer did not use OEM parts to perform repairs. However, when a replacement part is intended to modify the performance of the OEM part and not replace it, they most certainly can void the warranty on affected systems. I can't change the compression on my engine and expect Mercedes to warranty the engine from damage any more than you can change the combustion timing and expect Mercedes to continue to warranty the engine.
As far as my "agenda" goes, I think companies that can't operate honestly and deal with their customers with the respect they deserve don't deserve to operate in the open without being subjected to the scrutiny they deserve. Accountability isn't a 4-letter word.
Now that I've said that it's probably time for me to get banned again.
1. Their tune is detectable by the dealership and will void the warranty on your engine. If you have any ECU related issues (knocking, timing, unusual engine wear or damage) they will image your ECU and examine it for corruption/modifications etc. If they detect tampering/modification they will immediately void your warranty on your engine and you will not have a viable means of legal recourse.
2. Brabus and Carlsson other tuners will pay for parts and labor (at any Mercedes dealership) for any necessary repairs. My personal experience with tuning is from Carlsson, and they provide a written warranty that fully warranties the engine to 4 years and 50,000 miles. You are authorized to use any Mercedes-Benz certified technician for the repairs.
3. Powerchip says they've been in business 20+ years but they've "never had that issue come up"? They've caught people's engines on fire and I'm sure much worse. We've had people in the forums engines knock, seize, and pretty much explode after getting tuned. By presenting this as a "non-issue" completely ignores the fact that there is a risk, their actions are observable and cause an effect on engine performance, they can destroy your engine, and that damage will not be covered under your Mercedes warranty.
The act was created to prevent manufacturers from voiding the warranty because a consumer did not use OEM parts to perform repairs. However, when a replacement part is intended to modify the performance of the OEM part and not replace it, they most certainly can void the warranty on affected systems. I can't change the compression on my engine and expect Mercedes to warranty the engine from damage any more than you can change the combustion timing and expect Mercedes to continue to warranty the engine.
As far as my "agenda" goes, I think companies that can't operate honestly and deal with their customers with the respect they deserve don't deserve to operate in the open without being subjected to the scrutiny they deserve. Accountability isn't a 4-letter word.
Now that I've said that it's probably time for me to get banned again.
Sorry we have been working on a new website started from scratch so we haven't been updating the old one. Power figures are scrambled and datasheets are missing. It was a full time job fixing and updating our data to show up correctly on the website and somehow the figures still get messed up on their own so we've started from scratch and are close to releasing the new website.
Sorry for the confusion and if you have questions the best way to get in contact with us is via phone or e-mail.
Paul
949-646-1026
Sorry for the confusion and if you have questions the best way to get in contact with us is via phone or e-mail.
Paul
949-646-1026
You have a C350 as a company car, you have the dyno machine, and I assume you have the techs to do the work... Would it really be that difficult for you to post something to answer all these inquiring minds?
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You guys must be on Powerchips ignore list!!! LOL
I guess that makes it "puffery"...
Great post Peabody! I think any sponsor making a legit claim would rather opt for full disclosure and would rush to answer questions... whereas in this case, and not to suggest that Powerchip is not legit, however, we are yet to see anything to substantiate ANY of the 4 claims that were made in the first post!
ON 5/24/2011 (see post #34), you indicated that you will "get the techs to prepare up a screen shot specifically for the 350 and post it in the next 48 hours" and yet we haven't seen anything!!!
You have a C350 as a company car, you have the dyno machine, and I assume you have the techs to do the work... Would it really be that difficult for you to post something to answer all these inquiring minds?![nix](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/nixweiss.gif)
I guess that makes it "puffery"...
Great post Peabody! I think any sponsor making a legit claim would rather opt for full disclosure and would rush to answer questions... whereas in this case, and not to suggest that Powerchip is not legit, however, we are yet to see anything to substantiate ANY of the 4 claims that were made in the first post!
ON 5/24/2011 (see post #34), you indicated that you will "get the techs to prepare up a screen shot specifically for the 350 and post it in the next 48 hours" and yet we haven't seen anything!!!
You have a C350 as a company car, you have the dyno machine, and I assume you have the techs to do the work... Would it really be that difficult for you to post something to answer all these inquiring minds?
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