If you're so against young drivers owning a mid priced car, then why don't you trade in your car for something lower end? I'm 22 and not once have I used my s63 in a way that jeopardizes the lives of other people. Sure I may have demonstrated the car's abilities in a private road but never on a public road. I haven't seen many young individuals with supercars in my area who deliberately lost traction on a public street. Sure, they drove faster than the neighbouring cars but you could definitely tell they had decent if not better skills than the other drivers. Then again, you're in the states and I'm in Canada so I'm not sure what's considered acceptable here is also considered acceptable down there. However, for a fact, I do know that the driving tests here in Vancouver are a lot more difficult that what you had listed.

 

50K budget!? Wow that's nice lol. My first car was a 95 VW Passat VR6 for $4000. I had to work up to both of my Mercedes >.<

^Also, props on this statement. I think the "well off" all around the world should start taking note of how disconnected they are from reality. Not to say that the OP is one of these people.

 

I think you are making W204_Generics's point.

"We are inexperienced drivers that at times think we are experienced and believe we own the road."

How exactly could you tell that they had as good if not better skills that the car that they were passing? Because they drove faster, they have better skills? I am a LEO with years of experience driving, I have been trained, and I can tell you with out a doubt, driving fast is not an indicator of driving skills. Usually, it's the exact opposite.

 

I think you misunderstood my point. I never said their skill was garnered off their speed. What I meant is that although they might've been faster than others on the road, the manoeuvres they made were superior to those of the other driver (eg. safer lane changes, more courteous, no tailgating, etc).

 

OP, get your son whichever car you like most. Make him pay for gas/maintenance and insurance to instill some responsibility.

Myself i was given a nice car but the responsibility of having to pay for my own gas and my own insurance and maintenance instilled a sense of responsibility in me and has made me appreciate the things i have now more.

A honda has no place in your garage, so i suggest you get the car that suits your family and your needs, but i would suggest instilling responsibility of the car into your son as i said above. just my 0.02$

 

It is true not all teenagers are irresponsible but insurance companies are always bang-on with this issue and have the best data to say otherwise hence the reason why insurance cost of teenagers are higher than people who had driven for such a time.

I have 3 clients who owns body shops here in Vancouver. All three body shops caters to high-end rides. Everytime I go to their shop I see wreck cars with L and N ICBC signs on them. There is one GTR that went back to back to the shop 4 times in a month because of wreckless driving and crashing. There is a yellow Lamborghini Aventado right now on their shop that made the news crashing on a Cobalt at Downtown Vancouver and the driver is a teenager who is at fault. The fact that all 3 clients of mine says that most of the high-end cars that comes to their shops are driven by teenagers who have parents that have fat wallets also tells a lot as well. Most of them don't even have their name on the insurance because of the cost. I was told as well that they ALWAYS collect the deductible from those teenagers which means they are always at fault as the insurance company here in BC (I think most in NA anyway) will not let you pay any deductible unless they find you at fault somehow.

Speeding is only part of the equation of becoming a reckless driver. You can always speed and be safe (legally not logical) but speeding on a street that is filled with other motorist or taking a corner like imitating Ken Block and not respecting yourself and others is just plain stupid.

With regards to the OPs decision on the ride he will give his son. I just hope you will not have your name on the insurance and be ready to have extra funds for mishaps as damaging those cars will scratch your wallet (just a dust of course with your lifestyle but to us forum members here that will be a lot). In the end of the day whatever makes you happy and what you think is best for your kid is the important thing. The opinion of us forum members here are just opinions no matter what and it is up to you to decide to listen or pretend you did not post that question of yours in the first place and move on.

 

Agreed.

The speculation and stereotypes perpetuated in this thread are offensive at the least. You don't know OP or his son.

 

Once again, I never stated that those drivers were speeding. I merely said that they were driving faster than the neighbouring drivers.

 

Absolutely. Just like how others speculated that hosting a party automatically means the use of illegal substances and owning a high value/power vehicle means individuals will misuse it.

 

I bet a vast majority of teenagers and mid-folks to old farts (sorry) given even the cheapest automobile will go over the speed limit. The real points here on this thread are:

1. Teenagers are teenagers no matter what. They have so much adrenaline and emotion that they will experiment. bb1510, please tell everyone here when you were a teenager (unless you are still one) you never ever used your car as a rocket. I will proudly say I DID as I find that normal as even a cop will tell you speeding is normal but speeding like there is no limits is not.

2. Learning the value of money, resposibility and getting "up-there through hard work" like how the OP did.

Always expect people to respond negatively as that is how life works. The fact that the OP posted this here is commendable already as he still asked for a valid opinion even though his response is unacceptable to most of the folks that replied on this thread.

 

Without speculating, we know what the father told us, and, if we take him at his word, the warning signs about continuing to indulge such a child are clear to those of us who have raised children into adulthood.

 

Actually, I never used my car as a rocket. Not only is it irresponsible to do so, I don't even think it's possible to deliberately lose traction (drift, donuts, etc) in a DIESEL ML. Yes, I did floor the S63 when I was testing it (as asked by the dealer) but that was on a private road. "Learning the value of money, responsibility, and getting up there with hard work." - what are you trying to say? Say that I'm a spoiled kid? Nice try, but I'm also self made. Yes, my mom did give me the S63 as a gift because of my success in my career in real estate development. However, she does drive that car every once in a while cause after all, she was the one who bought it for me. I did take out a private loan from my mom but offered to pay it off with DOUBLE the interest rate of what banks were offering. I risked everything and it did pay off.

 

There you go.....next please.........

 

please elaborate on that...i don't quite understand what you mean

 

bb1510,

There are technically two types of wealthy folks or people who have money:

1. People who become rich from rags to riches just like the OP.
2. People who become rich from the rags of the rich to becoming rich just like you and me (what is rich anyway?). Trust me, you and I have a lot of thanking who ever our God is (if you have one) for coming out of our wealthy mom's private part as it became easier for us to get where we are in life as you won't be on your situation right now if you did not have a rich mom who gave you a loan that paid-off big time.

We are just insisting to the OP to have his son to learn responsibility on his early age by not giving "non-normal (ei. luxury things)" to grow with and with time he will learn what it means to get what daddy is driving. The fact that he wrote down about his son's behavior also is being crucial to what everyone is saying here and everyone is just reacting.

This thread is not about you, me, or anyone on how they became rich. This is about his decision that might change his teenager son's life and from what he is saying did some goofy things that most of us here (you won't deny that) find a little irresponsible.

You need to experience eating dirt first before eating the best food to know, learn, appreciate the difference and make good decisions which most here has been trying to say.

 

Yes, I understand where you're coming at and my mom is someone who I respect greatly.

There are irresponsible young drivers out there but I'm just sick of all the bashing and assumptions made on this thread. All I was coming at is that just because the OP decides to give his a high end starter car doesn't mean that he may misuse it. I understand that he may have used the OP's house for a party when they were away on a trip, but to what extent was the party? We don't know and we shouldn't make any assumptions here.

 

This was a bad first thread for me to read. I never understand why people flaunt their money. The OP sure does flaunt it for someone that comes from such a modest background. He wasn't going to listen to anyone that posted, not sure why he even bothered. He is going to buy a 16 year old kid an S7? He definitely wants to flaunt his money through his kid now as he doesn't do enough with his own cars. First world problems amaze me. I do hope this is not what this forum is all about and just a fluke.

 

To be fair, the OP was initially considering a W204 C Class; all he was looking for were the opinions of W204 owners since he doesn't have that car. Then his choice went awry and he decided to look at the next tier. All he wants is the best for his son and I'm sure that's what every parent wants for their child. Also, it's his first time purchasing a starter car for his son - every person always has a first for something.

 

Bingo

People gave opinions about the C class; the OP never followed up or asked about C class again... instead posting about deciding on either an E class, Audi S7, or Jag. So what was the point of posting here in the first place, other than to try to impress folks?

If you're not going to listen to folks, go to the dealership. They'll act impressed and will probably fellate you for the sale. Win/Win

 

If I didn't want a C class as my first car, then neither does the OP's son

 

someone close this thread already

 

Thanks , Shot gun Banjo I totally agree with , this post isnt about how this guy got rich , what's rich now days? Its about helping a father make a good choice and the right choice for his son , This man loves his son but sometimes love has to be tough "LOVE TOO". I'm glad some people have big money , I'm sad about those that are poor and can't even afford basic trans po to get a minimum wage job and they have a college degree. Our economic system has failed millions of people. That's one reason why I typical donate my old cars to charity and get a little tax break that not equal to the value of the vehicle or what I've put into it . The charity sends a letter at how good of condition the old car is , a piece a junk too me . But new car to someone in need, to hear about single mother getting to work or a old guy using my old junk truck to make money is "Price less". Their's to much bashing and stereo typing on this site and offensive comments "CHILL-OUT" PERIOD and that's in AMG side of the forum too.

 

Never in my life have I seen an internet community as hostile as this one. This is sad to say the least.

 

I totally agree with you , their people on this forum that are selling bad parts to people just to get money, bad advice , bad info, lying about dyno # and 1/4 et's . Unfortunately this reflects what many people believe about MB owners and lovers.. and owners of other high end foreign makes. But on the other hand their are some real people on this forum too. Hay take car 2007 CLS 63.

 

it is at times pretty nutty how rude we can all be to each other.......I think a lot of guys simply get jealous you know?


good luck with it all


btw: would love to see some shots of that AMG in storage: have never seen a SL73!




edit: found one