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Old Feb 22, 2018 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Adi-Benz
So I didn't read the comments cause it totally derailed and is going south. However,

That deisel is not the most reliable. It's definitely not anything close to reliability of m272 engine.

​​​​​​Thermostat shouldn't even count really, cause this is the most common issue on all cars probably. I had it here, fixed it for $30 and an hour of my time, my uncle is Europe had it happen to his older BMW. It's common issue.

Taillight harness melting is part of a recall.

What country are you in? If you're in the UK seems they get all the 4cyl Mercedes, which IMO are pretty much all rubbish.

Also in the US Kia has 10yr/10000 mile warranty. It was sad however, when I sat in the back of an optima and it didn't even have vents for the AC/Heat on the back of the arm console loool.

Buy a Kia stinger lol. I've never owned a 4cyl because every one I've been in has been pretty much trash, and I can only imagine the diesel variant.

Adding to my post, transmission mounts are cheap and easy to swap, engine ones are harder and more expensive.
His profile indicates he's in Australia.
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Old Feb 22, 2018 | 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
No,
And plus, I paid $2500 for another 3 years of warranty. I had the front struts start to make noise, so I took it in after the first 4 years were up, and they replaced all of the front struts, etc, and that alone would have cost $2500 so in one trip I made back what I had spent on extended warranty.

So you paid $2500 for extended warranty and you think you're not out of pocket, yeah real smart,. you should have replaced them

yourself,you would have saved more $$$$ they are not hard to replace.

If you're silly enough not to buy extended warranty and plan to keep a car after 4 years, then ask yourself, do you forsee spending > $2500 in 3 years for maintenance once a car is that old? To me, that's like asking if someone addicted to drugs would turn down free drugs. Of course they wouldn't, and of course you should buy a new vehicle warranty + extended warranty. Plus, on the C class, it's cheap as hell.

You spent $2500 dollars in 4 years on a new car and you are willing to throw more $$ on extended warranty.depends what you call cheap as hell ????
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Old Feb 23, 2018 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by silkynitro
If you're silly enough not to buy extended warranty and plan to keep a car after 4 years, then ask yourself, do you forsee spending > $2500 in 3 years for maintenance once a car is that old? To me, that's like asking if someone addicted to drugs would turn down free drugs. Of course they wouldn't, and of course you should buy a new vehicle warranty + extended warranty. Plus, on the C class, it's cheap as hell.

You spent $2500 dollars in 4 years on a new car and you are willing to throw more $$ on extended warranty.depends what you call cheap as hell ????
Re read my statement. This time without a hot pepper in your ***.
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Old Feb 23, 2018 | 06:52 AM
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Old Feb 23, 2018 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
Re read my statement. This time without a hot pepper in your ***.
Please clarify the part of your statement that I obviously miss read, before the hot pepper incident, which i'm still getting over by the way.
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Old Feb 23, 2018 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by silkynitro
Please clarify the part of your statement that I obviously miss read, before the hot pepper incident, which i'm still getting over by the way.
My case:

New car: $60,000. 4 year, 80,000 km warranty included.

Question: Should I spend another $2500 to upgrade said warranty to 7 years and 160,000km?

The questions one should ask are:

1) Will I keep my car past 4 years? If so, move to question #2
2) If I keep my car to 7 years, will my repair bills from year 5-7 (inclusive) for these 3 years exceed $2,500? If no. Stop here. If yes, move to step #3

Step #3: Buy the EDW.

I don't know why you find this so difficult to comprehend.
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Old Feb 23, 2018 | 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
My case:

New car: $60,000. 4 year, 80,000 km warranty included.

Question: Should I spend another $2500 to upgrade said warranty to 7 years and 160,000km?

The questions one should ask are:

1) Will I keep my car past 4 years? If so, move to question #2
2) If I keep my car to 7 years, will my repair bills from year 5-7 (inclusive) for these 3 years exceed $2,500? If no. Stop here. If yes, move to step #3

Step #3: Buy the EDW.

I don't know why you find this so difficult to comprehend.
Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
And plus, I paid $2500 for another 3 years of warranty. I had the front struts start to make noise, so I took it in after the first 4 years were up, and they replaced all of the front struts, etc, and that alone would have cost $2500 so in one trip I made back what I had spent on extended warranty.

So you have spent $2500 on your struts when you had no need to, should have been covered under warranty, so hopefully you'll have another break down to recover the extended warranty cost.

And if you are happy for the struts to fail with in the 4 years more fool you, you should have taken it further and had the backbone to stand up for yourself and had them replaced for nothing.

You could have invested $2500 for the first 4 years and you would have been in front and if you're toooooo stupid to see that it's on you.
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Old Feb 24, 2018 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by silkynitro
So you have spent $2500 on your struts when you had no need to, should have been covered under warranty, so hopefully you'll have another break down to recover the extended warranty cost.

And if you are happy for the struts to fail with in the 4 years more fool you, you should have taken it further and had the backbone to stand up for yourself and had them replaced for nothing.

You could have invested $2500 for the first 4 years and you would have been in front and if you're toooooo stupid to see that it's on you.
You're a fool. I'm done here.
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Old Feb 24, 2018 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
You're a fool. I'm done here.
Nah, me think you're the fool, not man enough to stand up for your rights, you're just to arrogant to see it, payed out $2500 up front for a break down that was still under warranty

As I said, lets hope something major fails in the next 3 years until then you payed $2500 for nothing

Which in my opinion the struts should never have failed in 4 years, however in saying that I'm not surprised after my experience owning a Mercedes.

Now I'm done, happy motoring, free from any more break downs cheers
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Old Feb 24, 2018 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by silkynitro
Nah, me think you're the fool, not man enough to stand up for your rights, you're just to arrogant to see it, payed out $2500 up front for a break down that was still under warranty

As I said, lets hope something major fails in the next 3 years until then you payed $2500 for nothing

Which in my opinion the struts should never have failed in 4 years, however in saying that I'm not surprised after my experience owning a Mercedes.

Now I'm done, happy motoring, free from any more break downs cheers
Struts didn't fail. They were merely noisy. After pressing MB about it, they replaced it under warranty.

You must be one of those guys who don't buy house insurance, and when a flood turfs their house, you then go and ***** to the government for a bailout. Insurance/warranty - same thing. If you get burned because you didn't buy it, you're the fool. Personally $2500 is great peace of mind for me for 3 years. If you're too cheap to buy it, that's on you.

Buh bye.
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Old Feb 24, 2018 | 04:10 PM
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I don't mean to get into this argument, but I think I understand both perspectives here. Hear me out.

I totally understand the "peace-of-mind" in buying an extended warranty so one does not have to worry about repairs down the road, but if the car was highly reliable like a Lexus or Toyota or Kia, one would opt out to invest that amount in the stock market per say and grow that amount rather than go and hand it over to the dealer.

I think what the OP is saying, which is the same as my dad says (he has owned MB for his entire life and he inspired me to stick with the brand), is that the MB brand has gotten less and less reliable over the years compared to the cars they used to make in the 80s and 90s. Engine mounts don't last as long, struts don't last as long, control arms don't last as long, transmissions require more service and many come out with from-factory flaws (conductor plates, pilot bushings, fluid pumps, etc...) and the same applies to engines (balance shaft, mounts, etc...). Then the dreaded ESL comes into the equation and yes things start to make less and less sense.

Sure we can argue that the car's performance, sophistication, and comfort require advance and delicate parts, but on the other hand, if I spend this kind of money on a Mercedes that used to be known for reliability, then it's really not acceptable to deal with the ESL failure, the balance shaft failure, and the transmission and engine failures in the early 722.9 and M272.

I still like the brand's look and safety and sophistication and I'm still looking for a 2012 C300 4MATIC, but my reliability expectations are definitely not as high as they used to be before I bought my first Mercedes: the 2003 CLK 320 which suffered from "from-factory" defects: Valeo radiator leaking coolant into the ATF ($1000 repair) and the conductor plate going bad in the transmission ($1100 repair).

This is in no way to criticize anyone's opinion. I respect all opinions but this is my take on this.
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Old Feb 24, 2018 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by xsever
I don't mean to get into this argument, but I think I understand both perspectives here. Hear me out.

I totally understand the "peace-of-mind" in buying an extended warranty so one does not have to worry about repairs down the road, but if the car was highly reliable like a Lexus or Toyota or Kia, one would opt out to invest that amount in the stock market per say and grow that amount rather than go and hand it over to the dealer.

I think what the OP is saying, which is the same as my dad says (he has owned MB for his entire life and he inspired me to stick with the brand), is that the MB brand has gotten less and less reliable over the years compared to the cars they used to make in the 80s and 90s. Engine mounts don't last as long, struts don't last as long, control arms don't last as long, transmissions require more service and many come out with from-factory flaws (conductor plates, pilot bushings, fluid pumps, etc...) and the same applies to engines (balance shaft, mounts, etc...). Then the dreaded ESL comes into the equation and yes things start to make less and less sense.

Sure we can argue that the car's performance, sophistication, and comfort require advance and delicate parts, but on the other hand, if I spend this kind of money on a Mercedes that used to be known for reliability, then it's really not acceptable to deal with the ESL failure, the balance shaft failure, and the transmission and engine failures in the early 722.9 and M272.

I still like the brand's look and safety and sophistication and I'm still looking for a 2012 C300 4MATIC, but my reliability expectations are definitely not as high as they used to be before I bought my first Mercedes: the 2003 CLK 320 which suffered from "from-factory" defects: Valeo radiator leaking coolant into the ATF ($1000 repair) and the conductor plate going bad in the transmission ($1100 repair).

This is in no way to criticize anyone's opinion. I respect all opinions but this is my take on this.
A well balanced post - thanks. As I did mention upthread, I am looking at a Lexus LS at the moment, and while I understand Lexus vehicles are, on the whole, more reliable than MB vehicles (if JD power is to be believed), I am still buying an EDW. Different people have different tolerances for risk vs peace of mind, I have a low tolerance of risk. Also, when an ECU does go for any car, whether or not it'd be MB or Lexus, or Acura, they are godly expensive things to replace. So rather than being frustrated at a $2000 bill (or more for an ECU as an example) like the OP, I just buy an EDW and be done with it. A 7 year EDW from MB for my vehicle was 4% of the purchase price. To me, that's worth it.
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Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
Struts didn't fail. They were merely noisy. After pressing MB about it, they replaced it under warranty.

You must be one of those guys who don't buy house insurance, and when a flood turfs their house, you then go and ***** to the government for a bailout. Insurance/warranty - same thing. If you get burned because you didn't buy it, you're the fool. Personally $2500 is great peace of mind for me for 3 years. If you're too cheap to buy it, that's on you.

Buh bye.
They failed that's why you had them changed
I have house insurance hardly the same comparison
Or I could be to smart to hand over more money to the dealer you're better off investing for the 4 years
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Old Feb 24, 2018 | 05:34 PM
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I think JD Power just hands out awards, I see them everywhere lol.

Buying cars in general is a lottery, sometimes you win sometimes you lose. Odds are sometimes better for winning. He has a c220 for example, which explains a bit. You choose your car, and you gotta know what to look for.
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Old Feb 24, 2018 | 05:59 PM
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They failed that's why you had them changed
I have house insurance hardly the same comparison
Or I could be to smart to hand over more money to the dealer you're better off investing for the 4 years
If you are fussing over 2 grand you're driving the wrong car.
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Old Feb 24, 2018 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
If you are fussing over 2 grand you're driving the wrong car.
Och! who's fussing over 2500 grand,not I, you bought the extended warranty, maybe you're driving the wrong car

As I said before it's not about the money, Mercedes brand has always been about reliability/ quality parts/ quality engineering.

And your car only lasted about 4 years before $2500 major surgery, really makes you want to run out and buy another.
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Och! who's fussing over 2500 grand,not I, you bought the extended warranty, maybe you're driving the wrong car

As I said before it's not about the money, Mercedes brand has always been about reliability/ quality parts/ quality engineering.

And your car only lasted about 4 years before $2500 major surgery, really makes you want to run out and buy another.
LOL. Dude. You were the one who complained about the repair bill after not buying the EDW. If it's not about the money, you wouldn't have whined in the first place.

You're a fool. Go and make some extra money if you're going to buy a Benz. Otherwise, go and buy a Toyota. My car's still going strong btw. Happy with it. I'm bored with my car so I'm entertaining the purchase of an E63 or a S550, but I have no need to buy a new car.

Since you walk like a duck and talk like a duck, you are a duck. Enjoy the last word, but that said, I happily marvel in my $300/hour hourly rate. Cheers. Bye!

PS Mercedes brand has been about reliability? I suggest you stop doing drugs. Mercedes cars has never been about being a Toyota rival. FOOL.

I still find it funny you are running for the hills about some trivial repair bill. Make more money. That's your problem. Not the car.

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Since you walk like a duck and talk like a duck, you are a duck. Enjoy the last word, but that said, I happily marvel in my $300/hour hourly rate. Cheers. Bye!
Now this is funny, are you telling me you're on $300/hour and you take out EDW
In my experience people who Bragg about what they earn are so insecure, It wouldn't surprise me if you still live with your parents and have a silver spoon in your mouth.

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Make more money. That's your problem. Not the car.
I don't have to my friend I'm a self funded retiree, I really don't need more money, I'd like more however I don't need more, as I said it's not about the money.
Have no idea why you can't get that through you're thick head.
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Now this is funny, are you telling me you're on $300/hour and you take out EDW
In my experience people who Bragg about what they earn are so insecure, It wouldn't surprise me if you still live with your parents and have a silver spoon in your mouth.

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I don't have to my friend I'm a self funded retiree, I really don't need more money, I'd like more however I don't need more, as I said it's not about the money.
Have no idea why you can't get that through you're thick head.
Pot meet kettle.
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Pot meet kettle.

I thought I'd share this with you

https://www.choice.com.au/transport/...xtras-revealed



Useless car extras revealed

Extended dealer warranties

Extended dealer warranties can sound great in the showroom, but the devil is in the detail.
Dealer extended warranties often require you to have the car serviced exclusively by the dealer who sells you the car, and missing a scheduled service can void the warranty.
They can also be very restrictive in what they cover.

Extended factory warranties are usually less restrictive than dealer warranties, but you still need to read the terms and conditions carefully before signing.
In most cases the standard three- or five-year warranty is good enough.
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I thought I'd share this with you

https://www.choice.com.au/transport/...xtras-revealed



Useless car extras revealed

Extended dealer warranties

Extended dealer warranties can sound great in the showroom, but the devil is in the detail.
Dealer extended warranties often require you to have the car serviced exclusively by the dealer who sells you the car, and missing a scheduled service can void the warranty.
They can also be very restrictive in what they cover.

Extended factory warranties are usually less restrictive than dealer warranties, but you still need to read the terms and conditions carefully before signing.
In most cases the standard three- or five-year warranty is good enough.
Dealer warranty is worse than factory warranty but it is still a good option. They will cover any major parts so it is good in case of major failure.
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I thought I'd share this with you

https://www.choice.com.au/transport/...xtras-revealed



Useless car extras revealed

Extended dealer warranties

Extended dealer warranties can sound great in the showroom, but the devil is in the detail.
Dealer extended warranties often require you to have the car serviced exclusively by the dealer who sells you the car, and missing a scheduled service can void the warranty.
They can also be very restrictive in what they cover.

Extended factory warranties are usually less restrictive than dealer warranties, but you still need to read the terms and conditions carefully before signing.
In most cases the standard three- or five-year warranty is good enough.
Thanks for thinking of me. I don't think I've ever heard about a dealer extended warranty tbh, and I am well aware the EDW is more restrictive than the usual bumper to bumper warranty, but I'm fine with that. I'm familiar with the details for my policies, inclusive of the more restrictive 25-36 month part of the EDW, and am perfectly fine with it. MB has also been great in the sense that I do a lot of the services myself, and I do have the documentation for it, but they've never given me grief.
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