Steering wheel feeling
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Steering wheel feeling
Hi folks. I was thinking about asking the community to address their experiences with the steering wheel feeling in the w204.
I have been driving and DIYing an E46 ZSP (factory lowered on 17inch wheels) for 8 years now and I am finding myself attracted to the W204 (facelif). This weekend I drove a C300 4 matic Sport Sedan in the rain and was perplexed about the steering wheel feeling. I felt detached from the road a bit, another way to put it, is that it did not feel heavy. At higher speeds in a slightly aggressive/gentle curve, the steering input became too sensitive and I didn't like the car cutting into the curve almost too sharply. Here is the car I drove.
Clearly I am a newb at MB and didn't even know about the Eco/Sport switch on the gear selector (not that the salesman cared to tell me either). Could that have made a difference or is this knob only power related (does it remap the accelerator pedal)? Does it alter steering wheel feeling or suspension?
I guess all of this takes getting used to and it could just be that I am used to my bimmer and I like the feeling, the weight, the touch of the wheel on that car.
Could those who may have driving similar cars discuss this with me. Am I nuts, or the only one who feels this way? I think this is an important point in my decision making to purchase a w204.
I have been driving and DIYing an E46 ZSP (factory lowered on 17inch wheels) for 8 years now and I am finding myself attracted to the W204 (facelif). This weekend I drove a C300 4 matic Sport Sedan in the rain and was perplexed about the steering wheel feeling. I felt detached from the road a bit, another way to put it, is that it did not feel heavy. At higher speeds in a slightly aggressive/gentle curve, the steering input became too sensitive and I didn't like the car cutting into the curve almost too sharply. Here is the car I drove.
Clearly I am a newb at MB and didn't even know about the Eco/Sport switch on the gear selector (not that the salesman cared to tell me either). Could that have made a difference or is this knob only power related (does it remap the accelerator pedal)? Does it alter steering wheel feeling or suspension?
I guess all of this takes getting used to and it could just be that I am used to my bimmer and I like the feeling, the weight, the touch of the wheel on that car.
Could those who may have driving similar cars discuss this with me. Am I nuts, or the only one who feels this way? I think this is an important point in my decision making to purchase a w204.
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Hi folks. I was thinking about asking the community to address their experiences with the steering wheel feeling in the w204.
I have been driving and DIYing an E46 ZSP (factory lowered on 17inch wheels) for 8 years now and I am finding myself attracted to the W204 (facelif). This weekend I drove a C300 4 matic Sport Sedan in the rain and was perplexed about the steering wheel feeling. I felt detached from the road a bit, another way to put it, is that it did not feel heavy. At higher speeds in a slightly aggressive/gentle curve, the steering input became too sensitive and I didn't like the car cutting into the curve almost too sharply. Here is the car I drove.
Clearly I am a newb at MB and didn't even know about the Eco/Sport switch on the gear selector (not that the salesman cared to tell me either). Could that have made a difference or is this knob only power related (does it remap the accelerator pedal)? Does it alter steering wheel feeling or suspension?
I guess all of this takes getting used to and it could just be that I am used to my bimmer and I like the feeling, the weight, the touch of the wheel on that car.
Could those who may have driving similar cars discuss this with me. Am I nuts, or the only one who feels this way? I think this is an important point in my decision making to purchase a w204.
I have been driving and DIYing an E46 ZSP (factory lowered on 17inch wheels) for 8 years now and I am finding myself attracted to the W204 (facelif). This weekend I drove a C300 4 matic Sport Sedan in the rain and was perplexed about the steering wheel feeling. I felt detached from the road a bit, another way to put it, is that it did not feel heavy. At higher speeds in a slightly aggressive/gentle curve, the steering input became too sensitive and I didn't like the car cutting into the curve almost too sharply. Here is the car I drove.
Clearly I am a newb at MB and didn't even know about the Eco/Sport switch on the gear selector (not that the salesman cared to tell me either). Could that have made a difference or is this knob only power related (does it remap the accelerator pedal)? Does it alter steering wheel feeling or suspension?
I guess all of this takes getting used to and it could just be that I am used to my bimmer and I like the feeling, the weight, the touch of the wheel on that car.
Could those who may have driving similar cars discuss this with me. Am I nuts, or the only one who feels this way? I think this is an important point in my decision making to purchase a w204.
You can actually learn to like it. You can whip the car around with incredible ease. The time or two I was cut off I had changed lanes before I knew what happened. But I'm in a car with a heavier feel now and I'm enjoying that too.
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Weird...my steering is a bit on the mid/touch of heavy side, not nearly as much as a 3 series though.
Drive a Kia or something and it's impossible to drive with all that super sensitive steering lol.
Drive a Kia or something and it's impossible to drive with all that super sensitive steering lol.
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Yes, well there you have it, 2 answers, and in opposite direction!
Thank you both for providing data on your experience with the vehicles.
I suppose we all feel things differently and the different trim levels or packages also contribute to the differences. I also read recently on this forum about the AAC package (Adaptive agility control- not sure I got this right).
Does that make a big difference?
Still, I must ask again. Does the Sport button near the gear lever change the dynamics of the suspension and throttle as well as the steering wheel?
Thank you both for providing data on your experience with the vehicles.
I suppose we all feel things differently and the different trim levels or packages also contribute to the differences. I also read recently on this forum about the AAC package (Adaptive agility control- not sure I got this right).
Does that make a big difference?
Still, I must ask again. Does the Sport button near the gear lever change the dynamics of the suspension and throttle as well as the steering wheel?
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As far as I know, it should be shifting rpms (holds gears longer), uses first gear (normally starts with second) and perhaps a little throttle response. With the facelift models (2013+) it could add a bit more but nothing with suspension/steering.
AAC is a cool but rare package. Helps with handling, idk too much.
If you're buying 2013+ try to find ones with lighting package (Led/Hids)
Throw wider rear tires on that bad boy and it handles awesome (4matics can handle staggered; ex. I'm running 235/265)
Like I said kinda would doubt it would handle like your other car but it's good in it's own way, it has its own advantages.
This car you drove has the facelift style body (12+) and interior, but engine and transmission are the same as the pre-facelift. 13+ have new direct injection engines /updated trans with a bit more hp, but if you don't like DI engines you may want to avoid. With a tune though, they make at least 330hp.
AAC is a cool but rare package. Helps with handling, idk too much.
If you're buying 2013+ try to find ones with lighting package (Led/Hids)
Throw wider rear tires on that bad boy and it handles awesome (4matics can handle staggered; ex. I'm running 235/265)
Like I said kinda would doubt it would handle like your other car but it's good in it's own way, it has its own advantages.
This car you drove has the facelift style body (12+) and interior, but engine and transmission are the same as the pre-facelift. 13+ have new direct injection engines /updated trans with a bit more hp, but if you don't like DI engines you may want to avoid. With a tune though, they make at least 330hp.
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Thanks Adi, that is good info. I was aware of the 2012 + facelift on the body but not of the 2013 + on the engine and transmission.
Need to read some more I guess.
I am also thinking about the 350 over the 300. Assume the wheel feel is the same between the 2?
Need to read some more I guess.
I am also thinking about the 350 over the 300. Assume the wheel feel is the same between the 2?
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The old engines the c300 is a 3.0 with 228hp and the c350 is a 3.5 with around 250.
New so engines are same 3.5 but downtuned for c300, so with a tune it gets the same gain/end horsepower as c350.
New so engines are same 3.5 but downtuned for c300, so with a tune it gets the same gain/end horsepower as c350.
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Bumping this out there again to see if more people could chine in. So far one person says feeling is light, another says mid to heavy. That is a bit light to make a judgment call (pun intended).
Sure this is a very subjective question but still would love to hear some more thoughts.
Sure this is a very subjective question but still would love to hear some more thoughts.
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Well really the best way to do it would just to be go out and test more, even if they are outside of price range or other options just to get a feeling of it.
As well as testing one with the new engine - have you tried that yet as well?
Also mod market prolly isn't as big as E46 if you're going that route however there's enough to make it badass :]
As well as testing one with the new engine - have you tried that yet as well?
Also mod market prolly isn't as big as E46 if you're going that route however there's enough to make it badass :]
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I am guessing that if the cars were reversed and you were driving the Mercedes daily for a while and them jumped into your present car you would think the steering was really heavy. You just get used to what you are driving.
When I first got my present car I thought the steering felt lighter than I would prefer. Previous car was a Jaguar X-Type with the sport package and 18" wheels. Now today the steering feels nicely weighted to me, although I would still prefer it to have a heavier feel to it. I have never felt it was too sensitive or twicthy though.
When I first got my present car I thought the steering felt lighter than I would prefer. Previous car was a Jaguar X-Type with the sport package and 18" wheels. Now today the steering feels nicely weighted to me, although I would still prefer it to have a heavier feel to it. I have never felt it was too sensitive or twicthy though.
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I also have wider tires now, so that might have added some weight to the steering. Otherwise I think it has really good feeling, and it handles pretty well.
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Well really the best way to do it would just to be go out and test more, even if they are outside of price range or other options just to get a feeling of it.
As well as testing one with the new engine - have you tried that yet as well?
Also mod market prolly isn't as big as E46 if you're going that route however there's enough to make it badass :]
As well as testing one with the new engine - have you tried that yet as well?
Also mod market prolly isn't as big as E46 if you're going that route however there's enough to make it badass :]
You are absolutely correct, I am setting up to drive more soon. That's the only way to decide.
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I am guessing that if the cars were reversed and you were driving the Mercedes daily for a while and them jumped into your present car you would think the steering was really heavy. You just get used to what you are driving.
When I first got my present car I thought the steering felt lighter than I would prefer. Previous car was a Jaguar X-Type with the sport package and 18" wheels. Now today the steering feels nicely weighted to me, although I would still prefer it to have a heavier feel to it. I have never felt it was too sensitive or twicthy though.
When I first got my present car I thought the steering felt lighter than I would prefer. Previous car was a Jaguar X-Type with the sport package and 18" wheels. Now today the steering feels nicely weighted to me, although I would still prefer it to have a heavier feel to it. I have never felt it was too sensitive or twicthy though.
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Adding a bit to what Adi said, I have noticed already that for steering wheel, size of tires/wheels does impact a lot. With the stock 17's I felt the steering on my W204 was middle weight so to speak, but just going to 18's for rims especially at say 90mph or above it is super twitchy now. It has more of an airy feeling if that makes sense and it does lack a bit of the roads feedback. I've learned with the size up in wheels it has completely changed how the car feels. Though it did in a good way not a bad way.
I did go to different tires as well so the feeling may be a bit mixed due to 2 switches at once so I can't isolate the exact percentage that each item may have had. Still feels good and confident in a line through a turn but I noticed it's easier to over steer now. Compared to say my W202 the steering is lighter for sure so I wouldn't ever say it feels heavy for the w204. The key is once you get used to it the w204 does have a nice feeling to the steering wheel that is easy to do city driving with but when you get out to some country roads you still can feel confident pushing it without it feeling too sensitive. But that's just my humble opinion.
I did go to different tires as well so the feeling may be a bit mixed due to 2 switches at once so I can't isolate the exact percentage that each item may have had. Still feels good and confident in a line through a turn but I noticed it's easier to over steer now. Compared to say my W202 the steering is lighter for sure so I wouldn't ever say it feels heavy for the w204. The key is once you get used to it the w204 does have a nice feeling to the steering wheel that is easy to do city driving with but when you get out to some country roads you still can feel confident pushing it without it feeling too sensitive. But that's just my humble opinion.
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With the stock 17's I felt the steering on my W204 was middle weight so to speak, but just going to 18's for rims especially at say 90mph or above it is super twitchy now. It has more of an airy feeling if that makes sense and it does lack a bit of the roads feedback. I've learned with the size up in wheels it has completely changed how the car feels. Though it did in a good way not a bad way.
Were your stock widths the same (225/255) or different? My oem were 225/245 and I went 235/265 as mentioned, and I got lots more feedback (in a good way - ride quality was the same, maybe even a bit better shockingly even though I went from 17s to 19s) as well as the car feels more planted. The grip with the DWS06 feels impeccable paired with the 4matic and the steering did get a tiny bit heavier, but it seems different for you even though you got better tires?
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I am just curious, because in the other thread we went over your sizes and whatever - by twitchy do you mean more sensitive?
Were your stock widths the same (225/255) or different? My oem were 225/245 and I went 235/265 as mentioned, and I got lots more feedback (in a good way - ride quality was the same, maybe even a bit better shockingly even though I went from 17s to 19s) as well as the car feels more planted. The grip with the DWS06 feels impeccable paired with the 4matic and the steering did get a tiny bit heavier, but it seems different for you even though you got better tires?
Were your stock widths the same (225/255) or different? My oem were 225/245 and I went 235/265 as mentioned, and I got lots more feedback (in a good way - ride quality was the same, maybe even a bit better shockingly even though I went from 17s to 19s) as well as the car feels more planted. The grip with the DWS06 feels impeccable paired with the 4matic and the steering did get a tiny bit heavier, but it seems different for you even though you got better tires?
Keep in mind nothing in a bad way, more sensitive response due to less sidewall flex makes a huge difference as well as losing a good few pounds of unsprung weight for each corner. And I can't cut the Cooper RS3-G1's short, they handle great, wear a bit fast but honestly they aren't a crap tire. My conti's are made in portugal and grip wise I can't even drive my normal speed yet out my road, maybe that's due to me knowing every flex from the G1's vs DWS06's.
I'm also noticing the opposite, I feel less planted to the ground, I'm chalking that up to slight ride height increase and needing to lower it to compensate.
I'll feel better after another 100 miles or so on the tires to get them sorted and will see how they stick. I'm heading to NYC Sunday so that trip will for sure let em re-learn so to speak the feel haha.
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Factory ordered 2012 MB C350 w/Dynamic Handling Package
If you do not have the "AAC package" or in my case was called "Dynamic Handling" package, the button will simply change how/when the gears are shifted (example start in 1st or 2nd) from a stop.
If you DO have the "AAC package" or in my case was called "Dynamic Handling" package, the button changes the car to "M" mode, and turns the car to manual mode where you have to use the paddle shifters to change gears (but it will auto-downshift for you to avoid stalling the car if your RPM's drop too low).
If you DO have the "AAC package" or in my case was called "Dynamic Handling" package, you get an additional "SPORT" mode button next to the hazard light switch which WILL...
- change the suspension (stiffer).
- change the steering feel (less assist).
- changes how/when the transmission shifts (similarly to how non-ACC package equipped cars behave when you press the "sport/eco" button next to their gear shift lever).
WIll I buy it again if I have to redo my purchase? YES
Keep in mind this feature is rare, as it is not a standard feature in north American models. I was able to get it because I factory ordered my car but had to wait 8/9 months for delivery.
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...and just in case you are wondering...(your next logical question may be this)...
https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...-handling.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...-handling.html
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Thanks Ed, excellent info and total win with that link. I am sure it will be hard to find indeed. Heck, I might have to drive 200 miles to go test drive a 350.
You bet I will be looking under the hood for that little black box near the strut mounts!
You bet I will be looking under the hood for that little black box near the strut mounts!
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Go figure! So I drive another C300 4matic 5oday. Get in, turn off ECO, push the switch to S on dash.
Steering wheel feeling was fine, mighty fine, heavy and tight and no complaints!
Am I focusing more on it and that's why I liked it?
The car I drove a couple of weeks back was a 2012, that could not have made a difference, could it? Thought the 2012-2014 w204 were the same across that time span.
Steering wheel feeling was fine, mighty fine, heavy and tight and no complaints!
Am I focusing more on it and that's why I liked it?
The car I drove a couple of weeks back was a 2012, that could not have made a difference, could it? Thought the 2012-2014 w204 were the same across that time span.
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There could be lots of factors which could be the cause really. Keep in mind late 2012 to 2014 are the same, 2008 to early 2012 are the same.
The first one you drove was an early 2012. However, between the facelift and pre-facelift I don't think there would be any steering difference.
The first one you drove was an early 2012. However, between the facelift and pre-facelift I don't think there would be any steering difference.
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Plus, you mentioned the first one you drove was in the rain. If it had worn tires that could have caused what you were feeling compared to the second one you drove on a dry day and especially if it had a good set of tires.
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Yes but I should have mentioned (my bad) that the second was also in the rain.
Thanks Adi. Mid vs early 2012 might have made a difference. But hallelujah on the non-ECO and S mode testdrive!
Also drove a 2014 CLA250 4matic, dang thing is a pretty nervous little beast. Steering was again, on the lighter side.
Thanks Adi. Mid vs early 2012 might have made a difference. But hallelujah on the non-ECO and S mode testdrive!
Also drove a 2014 CLA250 4matic, dang thing is a pretty nervous little beast. Steering was again, on the lighter side.
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Yea cla250's aren't really up to the quality of the other benzes...they're not terrible but it seems like the w204's are much more solid. Cla45, well, I guess is a bit different because of performance.
They do have that new interior which is good and bad really. A fully optioned one is ok but lower sucks.
They do have that new interior which is good and bad really. A fully optioned one is ok but lower sucks.
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Yea cla250's aren't really up to the quality of the other benzes...they're not terrible but it seems like the w204's are much more solid. Cla45, well, I guess is a bit different because of performance.
They do have that new interior which is good and bad really. A fully optioned one is ok but lower sucks.
They do have that new interior which is good and bad really. A fully optioned one is ok but lower sucks.
I absolutely had zero problems and zero creeks and rattles.
handled like dream. fantastic car.
