Help diagnosing cam adjuster P0340 problem
So problem is like many here. Hard start, diesel like sound, P0340 code...
I ordered a set of cam adjusters, tensioner, and new timing chain...took the valve cover off and now I'm looking at the adjusters and they aren't worn at all (see pictures.) The chain doesn't appear stretched either but hard to tell with tensioner still installed. Still bad adjusters but problem hasn't been going on long enough to wear the teeth? Go ahead and replace adjusters and chain/tensioner or is it likely some other problem? Magnets/sensors? Thanks in advance! https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...60a58bb304.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...f1d1a8b8a3.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...211eee0f21.jpg |
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Start with the sensors and see it goes away. If it doesnt then adjusters, chain and tensioner
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I'm right there with you. Had the delayed "diesel sound" crank. Replaced the chain tensioner yesterday. All fine for half a day but the P0340 code returned this morning. Now looking to replace the intake cam adjuster (271-050-14-00-80). Ordered a 8MILELAKE Camshaft Alignment Engine Timing Tool Chain kit off Amazon for $80. Haven't bought the actual cam adjuster or chain rivet device yet. As tempted as I am to buy one of the cheap China adjusters I'm sticking with MB. UNLESS someone can recommend another reliable brand. Also trying the get some kind of "good faith" deal for the part from MBUSA as my CPO just expired three month ago. Also I plan on reusing the tenisioner I just bought (watched that reset video and hope it works). Any words of wisdom would be greatly appreciated. 2014 C250 M271.8
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I guess I did half the hard work by taking all that off and accessing the adjusters. I might as well replace the tensioner adjusters and chain rather than risk replacing one item and having to tear it all apart twice.
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Set your crankshaft to TDC and post up pictures of the timing marks on your camshafts.
If your intake adjuster has failed, you will see marks similar to the first photo below. After replacing, you should see marks similar to these second photo. It is best to replace both adjusters. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...6739667ab.jpeg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...a33caabd3.jpeg |
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It was actually off more dramatically than this (originally looked just like your first pic). In fact, it caused me to see if there was any play by placing a flat wrench on the cam and turning the adjuster (not advisable) . I was able to realign but of course won't hold under running conditions. Did you replace with an MB adjuster? If so, did you find one below $500. Also, no need to break the chain IF I'm not replacing the chain, correct? Thanks for your time The Critic. |
Originally Posted by rg_w204
(Post 7795976)
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...bf788a26f4.jpg
It was actually off more dramatically than this (originally looked just like your first pic). In fact, it caused me to see if there was any play by placing a flat wrench on the cam and turning the adjuster (not advisable) . I was able to realign but of course won't hold under running conditions. Did you replace with an MB adjuster? If so, did you find one below $500. Also, no need to break the chain IF I'm not replacing the chain, correct? Thanks for your time The Critic. |
Originally Posted by azblk
(Post 7796039)
From those pictures, the most likely issue is you have a stretched chain. I would replace the chain before the adjusters.
The only way of accurately measuring chain stretch is to buy this tool: http://www.partinfo.co.uk/files/FEBITIPP40125_GB.PDF If you are not getting cam/crank correlation codes, the chain stretch may not be a problem...yet. |
Originally Posted by rg_w204
(Post 7795976)
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...bf788a26f4.jpg
It was actually off more dramatically than this (originally looked just like your first pic). In fact, it caused me to see if there was any play by placing a flat wrench on the cam and turning the adjuster (not advisable) . I was able to realign but of course won't hold under running conditions. Did you replace with an MB adjuster? If so, did you find one below $500. Also, no need to break the chain IF I'm not replacing the chain, correct? Thanks for your time The Critic. There is no need to break the chain if you are only replacing the adjusters. Just have someone hold the chain with a pry bar when you remove and replace the adjuster. Mark the links before you remove the adjuster. The crank may jump time a bit but I think the crank sprocket sort of “free wheels” when the tensioner is removed. |
So just completed this job but nowhere close to taking a victory lap (perhaps in about three months). Main issue I had was getting the cam adjuster off. The cheap cam brace I bought off Amazon bent, couldn't get a good hold on the cam with a long wrench and my air impact wrench did nothing. Had to end up borrowing a SnapOn electric impact. Worked like a charm. Awesome tool right there!
Ran into a few smaller issues like broken bolt on the cylinder head cover that was shared with the thermostat and broken thermostat connector. I discovered these two issues and did not cause them. However, oddly enough my dealership did replace my thermostat under CPO warranty about two years ago. The bolt was left sheered off and the thermostat connector was rigged with two small zip-ties. Nobody else has been under this hood but me especially down that far...but i digress. On to this project..........but I'm not a mechanic and this isn't a DIY. TASK COMPLETED while doing this: oil change, radiator flush, new valve cover gasket (271-016-12-21) and plug gaskets (271-016-13-21), new chain tensioner (271-050-09-11) (had to pull it back out after original "diesel", long crank issue persisted and knew I had to replace the intake cam adjuster. Did not have to buy another new one as that reset thing works. Check YouTube. I highly recommend using a vise), plug/cover/cap chain tensioner (000-997-62-20), seal ring on cylinder cover (007603-014106), Loctite 5970 or MB sealent for cylinder cover (003-989-98-20-10). intake cam adjuster (271-050-14-00-80). Don't think you have to but I removed the thermostat from the cylinder cover so needed o ring (020997444564) and gasket (271203048064) and of course Helpful notes:
Now I hope to go a week or two before the next thing breaks on this ride. Praying the chain and exhaust cam adjuster will be good for awhile. Also please note I'm NOT a mechanic nor I'm I remotely qualified to do this job so do your own research.My car engine could blow up tomorrow because of me so this is just a friendly read at best. Special Thank You to The Critic and ItalianJoe1. |
Looks like my intake adjuster is bad...anyway to tell if my chain is stretched or if I can keep the same chain on there?
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You're welcome. Glad to hear it went well.
I agree with all of your tips. For me I used the Baum Tools hold down kit (it is for sale btw) and it had no issues. I used an electric impact to break the adjuster bolts loose and when reinstalling, the hold-down tool for sufficient for torquing those bolts to spec. The air intake tube to the turbo is super brittle and I ended up replacing mine since some parts of it crumbled during removal; the tube lists for $270 so it is not cheap. To make reinstall easier, I lubed the ends with dish soap. The clamp for the hose (on the turbo end) can also be best accessed thru the passenger front tire fender well (after removing the liner). During the reassembly, I also replaced the oil filler gasket and the oil cap - both of mine were leaking. I also cleaned the engine bay with degreaser and a garden hose - I regretted this later (read on and you will see why). After 140 miles of test driving, I was merging onto the freeway and the car began to lose power. It went into limp mode. Scanning the car revealed the P000277 and P061A22 faults. I confirmed my low-side fuel supply to be sufficient, so the high pressure fuel pump was the culprit. Ended up removing the intake manifold to replace the pump. The five gaskets for the intake are crazy expensive - $80! Finally, after repairing the high pressure fuel pump, I started receiving misfire faults for cyl #1, #2 and #4. And a P0300. After additional inspection I found the coils for #1, #2 and #4 to have a burned smell and signs of water intrusion. It looks like these engines DO NOT like to be washed, not even with a garden hose. I installed 4 new plugs and 3 coils from MB ($250). So far, all is well but I am waiting for the monitors to set so that I can smog the car and sell it. P.S. Does anyone want to buy a 2012 C250 with over $2600 in new OEM parts? :D |
Originally Posted by iJDub
(Post 7801783)
Looks like my intake adjuster is bad...anyway to tell if my chain is stretched or if I can keep the same chain on there?
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Can you explain that a bit more please?
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OK, so I messed up a bit and when I removed the cam adjusters etc...it got out of alignment with TDC. Do I fix this by just adjusting the cams and aligning the marks of the cams and TDC? Can I do this with the tensioner out?
My thinking is use a wrench (anyone know the size of it?) to slightly adjust the cams so the marks all align...set crank to TDC then put chain back on...am I missing anything? |
Originally Posted by iJDub
(Post 7802428)
OK, so I messed up a bit and when I removed the cam adjusters etc...it got out of alignment with TDC. Do I fix this by just adjusting the cams and aligning the marks of the cams and TDC? Can I do this with the tensioner out?
My thinking is use a wrench (anyone know the size of it?) to slightly adjust the cams so the marks all align...set crank to TDC then put chain back on...am I missing anything? |
Is there a trick in getting everything lined up and the chain back on without messing it all up?
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Whenever I adjust the cams they “pop” back to the original spot wtf
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Originally Posted by The Critic
(Post 7801788)
You can install a new intake adjuster and see if the marks line up at 3 (exhaust) and 9 o'clock (intake).
Look at the mark at 3 O’clock on the exhaust adjuster and the mark at 9 o’clock on the intake adjuster. With a new chain, those two marks will line up perfectly. |
Originally Posted by iJDub
(Post 7802443)
Is there a trick in getting everything lined up and the chain back on without messing it all up?
The cams can be moved with a T100 socket. |
Originally Posted by iJDub
(Post 7802455)
Whenever I adjust the cams they “pop” back to the original spot wtf
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...28890ad761.jpg Are you using that tool? |
I am using that tool, but I had taken it off temporarily trying to adjust the cams to try to get it aligned. This is as close as I can get (exhaust is off, intake is close.) Redo it?
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Originally Posted by iJDub
(Post 7802507)
I am using that tool, but I had taken it off temporarily trying to adjust the cams to try to get it aligned. This is as close as I can get (exhaust is off, intake is close.) Redo it?
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OK, so I don't know if it's because the tensioners not in yet, but when I get everything lined up just perfect, and I let go of the chain I just put on, the intake cam wants to jump a bit then there's too much slack in the chain between gears. It's hard to explain I'll try to post a video.
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