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Although the C450 has more HP and Torque from 0-60 is very close and the data even shows the C400 beats the C450 by 0.1 sec which is nothing. Could be the fact that the C400 gets all the torque at 1600 RPM comparing to the C450@ 2000RPM? I suspect the quarter mile numbers is where the C450 shines.
Although the C450 has more HP and Torque from 0-60 is very close and the data even shows the C400 beats the C450 by 0.1 sec which is nothing. Could be the fact that the C400 gets all the torque at 1600 RPM comparing to the C450@ 2000RPM? I suspect the quarter mile numbers is where the C450 shines.
You are not comparing apples to apples.The 0-60 of 4.7 seconds for the C400 was done by Motor Trend.The advertised 0-60 time by Mercedes for the C400 is 5.2 seconds.The advertised time for the C450 is 4.8 seconds.When the C450 is tested by a major magazine you will see times of 4.4 or 4.5 seconds.German company,s don,t differentiate between 0-60 and 0-100 km(62 mph)times.This accounts for about .25 seconds,also they don't use a 12" rollout like the magazines .This accounts for about another .25 seconds.Notice that MB indicates 5.2 sec for the C400,Motor Trend got a time of 4.7.Exactly .5 sec faster.
You are not comparing apples to apples.The 0-60 of 4.7 seconds for the C400 was done by Motor Trend.The advertised 0-60 time by Mercedes for the C400 is 5.2 seconds.The advertised time for the C450 is 4.8 seconds.When the C450 is tested by a major magazine you will see times of 4.4 or 4.5 seconds.German company,s don,t differentiate between 0-60 and 0-100 km(62 mph)times.This accounts for about .25 seconds,also they don't use a 12" rollout like the magazines .This accounts for about another .25 seconds.Notice that MB indicates 5.2 sec for the C400,Motor Trend got a time of 4.7.Exactly .5 sec faster.
The C450 isn't advertised by MB at 4.8 seconds. It's advertised @4.9 seconds, those numbers were done by magazines. Will see more magazines reviews in the future but for now one magazine shows 4.8 seconds. If you think about it, anything under 5 seconds needs a lot more HP and Torque to achieved unless you get weight reduction significantly. The 30 HP and Torque increase are not that significant when the c400 is already at 329 HP and 354 ft-lb torque.
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The C450 isn't advertised by MB at 4.8 seconds. It's advertised @4.9 seconds, those numbers were done by magazines. Will see more magazines reviews in the future but for now one magazine shows 4.8 seconds. If you think about it, anything under 5 seconds needs a lot more HP and Torque to achieved unless you get weight reduction significantly. The 30 HP and Torque increase are not that significant when the c400 is already at 329 HP and 354 ft-lb torque.
I am not aware of any magazines that have published times for the C450.I will stand by my previous statement of 4.3 or 4.4 sec 0-60 by a major magazine for the C450 I have seen both 4.9and 4.8 sec by MB for the C450.
I am not aware of any magazines that have published times for the C450.I will stand by my previous statement of 4.3 or 4.4 sec 0-60 by a major magazine for the C450 I have seen both 4.9and 4.8 sec by MB for the C450.
Hitting 4.3 or 4.4 will be interesting to see, specially the c63s sedan only hits 3.9 and 4.0 range by magazines. Motortrend is working on testing the 0-60 for C450, result should be out soon.
Hitting 4.3 or 4.4 will be interesting to see, specially the c63s sedan only hits 3.9 and 4.0 range by magazines. Motortrend is working on testing the 0-60 for C450, result should be out soon.
Not really hard to fathom for me... C63s struggles to gain traction if you haven't seen any videos of the c63S launching
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But the proof is in the pudding.... Let's see the actual results, who knows we may be disappointed
Hitting 4.3 or 4.4 will be interesting to see, specially the c63s sedan only hits 3.9 and 4.0 range by magazines. Motortrend is working on testing the 0-60 for C450, result should be out soon.
I have my own testing equipment which I have verified the accuracy at a NHRA dragstrip.As soon as I get more than 1000 miles on mine I will do some testing.I previously owned BMW 545I & a 550I The 545I I had at the dragstrip and had a best of 13.64 at 103 mph.If you look on the "dragtimes" site under BMW 545 I have the second fastest time under the name"grogan"
Hitting 4.3 or 4.4 will be interesting to see, specially the c63s sedan only hits 3.9 and 4.0 range by magazines. Motortrend is working on testing the 0-60 for C450, result should be out soon.
The magazines have tested the C400 at .5 sec faster than MB published.Why is it so hard to believe the C450 won't be .5 faster than the MB time.Remember what I said on my previous post.The method of testing by magazines is diff from MB,and is a better indication of true performance of a car.
The magazines have tested the C400 at .5 sec faster than MB published.Why is it so hard to believe the C450 won't be .5 faster than the MB time.Remember what I said on my previous post.The method of testing by magazines is diff from MB,and is a better indication of true performance of a car.
It will be too good to be true to me. Low 4 seconds is like the speed of 2016 Porsche Cayman GT4 which made it to 100km/h @ 4.1 seconds and that car costs almost double the price as c450. Of course the handling on the Porsche is way better but still. I will need to see the real number to believe it.
no way this is low 4 seconds. I doubt it can beat a bmw m235i or m2 for that matter. But seriously who like this car just for straight line speed?
I didn't buy a 450C only for its straight line acceleration but it is hard to argue with 13 sec 1/4 at probably over 108 mph and still get almost 30 mpg highway and about 24 mpg overall.If you believe Motor Trends test of the C400 0-60 time of 4.7 sec why is it hard to believe the C450 isn't .3 sec faster than the C400?
You seem to be familiar with BMW performance as I am also(I recently owned 2).Check the BMW published times against the major magazine tests and you will find the magazine times consistantly faster.
I love everything about my C450 but my but my passion has always been acceleration.I have been drag racing since the early 1960's.
i believe its faster than the c400; i don't think it can hit 4.1 in stock form though.
if you wanted straight line acceleration you should have opted for the c63s to blow some doors off. I test drove a c450 and did the 0 to 120 to 0 with the salesperson..the stopping power was impressive but the 0 to 120 wasn't as much. Coming from bmw when the torque throws you against the seat, I didn't get this with this car. But it was a good straight line pull. c450 is a mix of acceptable real world speed and interior with 4 doors. i had the same debate trying to decide between the new m2 out next year or the c450 ..was the same price range.
the m235 was fast super fast but its a midget 2 door car with low end interior.
c450, yea sure it could hit 4.4/4.5 or whatever but that's with a good launch, summer non run flats, and traction control off possibly. MB didn't put the LSD in this car; not sure if it needs it with the AWD (maybe that's another point.)
it won't hit that 4.1 number in stock form that the m2 is projected at or even the cayman gt4 that other person was talking about..but those are different cars.
for the price c450 i think is better than any comparable 3/4 series (not an m3 or m4) based on its aesthetics, options, and drive ability.
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i believe its faster than the c400; i don't think it can hit 4.1 in stock form though.
if you wanted straight line acceleration you should have opted for the c63s to blow some doors off. I test drove a c450 and did the 0 to 120 to 0 with the salesperson..the stopping power was impressive but the 0 to 120 wasn't as much. Coming from bmw when the torque throws you against the seat, I didn't get this with this car. But it was a good straight line pull. c450 is a mix of acceptable real world speed and interior with 4 doors. i had the same debate trying to decide between the new m2 out next year or the c450 ..was the same price range.
the m235 was fast super fast but its a midget 2 door car with low end interior.
c450, yea sure it could hit 4.4/4.5 or whatever but that's with a good launch, summer non run flats, and traction control off possibly. MB didn't put the LSD in this car; not sure if it needs it with the AWD (maybe that's another point.)
it won't hit that 4.1 number in stock form that the m2 is projected at or even the cayman gt4 that other person was talking about..but those are different cars.
for the price c450 i think is better than any comparable 3/4 series (not an m3 or m4) based on its aesthetics, options, and drive ability.
I already tried some full throttle starts.Traction will not be a problem I had zero wheelspin.You must turn ESP off and set to Sport+ mode or it will bog down at the start.I am predicting 4.3 or 4.4 times not 4.1.
I was not interested in the C63,it is marginal for me as a daily driver.Relatively bad gas mileage and not as comfortable in daily use.
I already tried some full throttle starts.Traction will not be a problem I had zero wheelspin.You must turn ESP off and set to Sport+ mode or it will bog down at the start.I am predicting 4.3 or 4.4 times not 4.1.
I was not interested in the C63,it is marginal for me as a daily driver.Relatively bad gas mileage and not as comfortable in daily use.
i agree with all your points though. i was getting 15 mpg in my bmw so the 13 in the c63s wasn't that much of a drop off as that goes.
since you're using run flats, the times may be improved with a switch to summer michelin PSS. I'll test that out when I get it.
i agree with all your points though. i was getting 15 mpg in my bmw so the 13 in the c63s wasn't that much of a drop off as that goes.
since you're using run flats, the times may be improved with a switch to summer michelin PSS. I'll test that out when I get it.
I plan to replace the runflats with all season ultra high performance tires.Traction will not be a problem with the all wheel drive.The runflats don't spin at allin full throttle starts.
You are correct Viper.BMW & Mercedes use the 0-100 km time as the same as the 0-60 mph.Europe does't see why the US drivers care so much about the 0-60 mph time.US magazines established the 0-60 many years ago and for some reason it stuck.
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